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Richard Quinn

HOW DID I GET financially to where I am today, 15 years into retirement? It’s a good question—one that’s taken me a lifetime to answer.

I’ve been fortunate in a way that’s nearly impossible for Americans today. I worked for one company for nearly 50 years and I accumulated a traditional pension based on that service. In addition, during my last few years on the job, I was eligible for stock options, restricted stock awards and enhanced bonuses. My pension, plus investing nearly all that extra compensation, solidified my financial security.

But my retirement success was also built on sticking to my often-criticized goal of replacing 100% of my base pay from my working years—that is, my pay excluding bonuses and other compensation. I met that goal with my pension, my Social Security, my wife Connie’s Social Security spousal benefit, and by working until age 67.

The story begins much earlier, however. I started working at age 18, and soon after signed up to buy savings bonds through payroll deduction, which I continued to do for decades. Now, I’m forced to redeem those bonds that have reached their 30-year maturity.

When I became eligible, I also signed up for the employee discount stock purchase plan (symbol: PEG) and, for the 60 years since, I’ve reinvested dividends. Today, those shares are about 20% of our total investments. While I purchased some shares, I received most of them as part of my compensation. I again showed my “unique” approach to investing by converting my stock options into shares rather than cash. Today, the annual dividends I receive are equal to almost 10% of my pension.

In 1982, I gained access to the company’s newly launched 401(k) plan, and I kept contributing until I retired. I always saved enough to receive the full employer match, and often I socked away even more, except during the 10 years when we had up to three children in college at the same time. My 401(k), which now sits in a rollover IRA, accounts for 42% of our total investments.

Connie and I began Social Security at my full retirement age. I was still working at the time, so—for the next two years—we invested both payments in municipal bond funds. We’ve since reinvested all income distributions. I’ve also added to the funds using part of my required minimum distributions. Today, the muni funds equal 19% of our investments. Were the muni funds a smart investment choice? Probably not. But I find the idea of something tax-free fascinating.

Being young and foolish, at around age 45, I was talked into buying two tax-deferred annuities. I stopped adding money decades ago. Today, they have a combined value of $200,000. But as far as being a good investment goes, your guess is as good as mine. Fees? I haven’t a clue.

About that time, I also enrolled in a group universal life insurance plan. The premiums were age-based and a portion of that money was invested. If you died, the policy’s proceeds were tax-free. As I got older, the premiums became too much, so I used the investment fund to buy paid-up life insurance. It got me $70,000’s worth of coverage. One of these days, somebody will benefit—but not too soon, I hope.

My fundamental rule of investing is that, as long as our net worth is higher than last year, I’m good. But if we were living off our investments and counting on a steady withdrawal of assets each year, I’d likely throw that rule out the window. In fact, if I didn’t have a pension and needed to cover our living costs with our investments, I’m pretty sure I’d have purchased an immediate annuity with a portion of our savings. I’d need the resulting retirement income stream to soothe my nerves.

My largest single investment, other than my company stock, is Fidelity Large Cap Growth Index Fund (symbol: FSPGX). I also own Fidelity Mid Cap Index Fund (FSMDX).

We have a few other mutual funds: Fidelity Balanced Fund (FBALX), Columbia Large Cap Growth Fund Class A (LEGAX), Fidelity VIP Balanced (FJBAC), Janus Henderson Global Life Sciences Fund Class T (JAGLX) and Allspring Large Company Value Fund Class A (WLCAX).

Those fund names contained words I found attractive like “balanced,” “growth” and “value.” Besides, they invest in some cool companies, such as Berkshire Hathaway, Apple, Microsoft, even McDonald’s. What could go wrong?

According to my Fidelity Investments account, I have 53% in U.S. stocks, 4% in international stocks, 32% in bond funds, including munis, and 10% in what Fidelity calls short-term, meaning cash investments. Did I mention that I’m 80 years old?

Do I have an investment strategy? Other than trying to keep my money growing, not really, except sticking with mutual funds, mostly index funds. I do have a goal, though: It’s never to sell any shares. With reinvestment, the shares are still growing, but in 2024 I’m considering not reinvesting dividends and interest so we can build up more cash.

My approach to investing hasn’t changed since I was 18. Save, always save, never stop saving. Even in retirement, we still save each month. Saving is not investing, you say? You’re right, it’s not. But if you don’t save, there’s nothing to invest.

The real secret to my success—if I can call it that—is time, all the years since I graduated high school in 1961. Call me the dollar-cost-averaging guru. My reinvesting—for now—keeps that going.

No doubt, as wiser folks analyze my investing acumen, they’ll find it amusing, perhaps scary, even foolish. But keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of American investors, who might think they’re diversified because they own three different large-cap mutual funds, are more like me—and less like the typical HumbleDollar reader.

Richard Quinn blogs at QuinnsCommentary.net. Before retiring, Dick was a compensation and benefits executive. Follow him on Twitter @QuinnsComments and check out his earlier articles.

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Peter Blanchette
9 months ago

You worked for a company mostly composed of regulated public utilities. Do you think it is advisable for everyone to invest so heavily in the public company stock of the company that one works for? You appear to have been fortunate that the company you worked for has had a stable history. Many of us have worked for companies that are now much smaller and/or not around anymore. What % of one’s retirement assets should revolve around a single stock, even if that stock is your employer or especially if that stock is your employer.

Mary Andersen
9 months ago

We bought Prudential Annuities in 2009–really a good deal, then, with good growth. However, unlocking that money comes with consequences: advisor suggests all or none if we need more than the income derived from those. So that would involve tax consequences beyond our current bracket. I am starting to work on figuring that out.

SanLouisKid
9 months ago
Reply to  Mary Andersen

I’ve posted this before, but it seems to come into play more and more as the years go by. From the 1950s/1960s Leave It To Beaver TV program:

Beaver: Gee, there’s something wrong with just about everything, isn’t there
Dad?

Ward: Just about, Beav.

Jim_A
9 months ago

As always, you’re pieces are easy to read. In the case of this one – no doubt there are many ways people will approach retirement, spending, savings. As you pointed out – you were blessed to have such a nice pension – which, with a few other sources of income – allows you to continue to save.

I would imagine that in that position, you are well able to be very generous to individuals and non-profits.. knowing that you’ll essentially leave significant resources. To me, saving (besides “for a rainy day”) ought to have purpose and goals.

Jim

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Jim_A

While we give to a number of organizations of all sizes and our church, family comes first. My parents had no ability to do any of that while living on SS in retirement, i see it as an obligation to the extent possible.

William Perry
9 months ago

Your Humble Dollar comments always seem to me to place a premium on life decisions over investment decisions.

Thanks, Bill

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  William Perry

I never thought of it that way, but I believe you are right.

Olin
9 months ago

A very good and inspiring story for those still working. The best advice:Save, always save, never stop saving.

There is no mention of having a Roth. Could you share your reasons for not having one?

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Olin

When Roth came about I thought about it, but delayed and we didn’t add to company 401k. Later I just couldn’t see paying the taxes and then having to wait five years to benefit. Now it’s too late for me.

I did save in the 401k on an after tax basis and that allowed my first three RMDs to be tax free.

I count not making better use of Roth as one of my mistakes.

Donny Hrubes
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

Sir Richard! Thank you.
My tax guy had mentioned it was as if they made a Roth just for me. So, I did open one and now many years later I use the proceeds as monthly gifts to my two sons, stipulated to go in their own Roth I.R.A. accounts. An early inheritance while I’m still around.
You’ve just proved the validity of delayed gratification Rich. Like a garden, we know what it will take to be successful and harvest the proceeds. Money also can be farmed with the correct knowledge and action.
However, with a garden, if we pick the veggies and fruit too soon, the results are minimal.

You are ever so lucky to have a loving mate that supports you all along the way! I was not as lucky. Kudos!!

Olin
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

Thanks for the explanation! I still have a few years to go before RMD’s start, but don’t have a Roth. Been reading Ed Slott’s “The New Retirement Savings Time Bomb” and wish I had opened a Roth a decade ago, but I didn’t have the sources to pay the taxes. The Secure Act is also a major player in the decision.

Frank Anthony
9 months ago

Well done! Although it appears you could have retired much earlier than 67. I assume you loved working as. I retired at 59 and have loved every minute is retirement. Could not imagine working until 67. Physically, off my peak at 59, I suspect that I won’t get any better in my late 60’s. The 60’s are precious years physically.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Frank Anthony

Yes, I really enjoyed my work and may have worked longer had the company not started to change. I had six weeks of vacation at the time so we still could travel, but spending the summer on Cape Cod and much of the winter in Florida has its appeal too.

AnthonyClan
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

I was earning serious vacation time toward the end as well. Really could have used this time more earlier in my career vs. later. In general I wish we, as a country, would mandate more vacation time. Two weeks (many don’t get that much) is pretty sad compared to other 1st world countries.

Steve Spinella
9 months ago

Thanks for sharing your actual journey! And congratulations on entering your ninth decade. May it be filled with joy and meaning.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Spinella

Thank you

mytimetotravel
9 months ago

I’ve said it before, and I still believe it. You only need to replace 100% of your pre-retirement income if you spend 100% of it. I have been retired for 23 years, and my income has never been close to 100% of my inflation-adjusted pre-retirement income, and I’m doing just fine. The non-working years I got by retiring early were priceless.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  mytimetotravel

I just want to be certain we are on the same page. I notice you do quite a bit of travel which I think is great. My question is does the cost of your travels come from your regular retirement income stream or from accumulated savings withdrawn as desired?

mytimetotravel
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

I explained my retirement finances here: https://humbledollar.com/2023/06/better-things-to-do/

Between rheumatoid arthritis and Covid I haven’t traveled since 2018 – a big reason I’m glad I retired early. I expect to finally start tapping my retirement portfolio next year, for the CCRC I just entered.

mytimetotravel
9 months ago
Reply to  mytimetotravel

Why on earth has this been down rated? What do you disagree with? Speak up.

Last edited 9 months ago by mytimetotravel
R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  mytimetotravel

I agree you need an income equal to what you spend – and would like to spend. but I also feel to handle emergency bills and to offset inflation it’s desirable to have a cushion and not be in the position to have to “cut back” as I often hear.

It also depends on how spending is defined. I include all forms of discretionary spending along with basic bills. I also include some ongoing saving to maintain an emergency fund.

When I retired we also had no desire to relocate to a lower cost area so we are retired in one of the most expensive parts of the country. I often read about what property taxes are for example. In our case the combined property taxes and HOA fees on our condo are $24,300 a year.

parkslope
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

It would seem that one’s wealth and age are relevant to this issue. For example, a 70 year old with $5 million in assets who is spending $250,000 a year while earning $200,00/year clearly has nothing to worry about.

Last edited 9 months ago by parkslope
mytimetotravel
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

But the amount of property taxes you pay is irrelevant to the general point. If you are living well below your income while working, you don’t need 100% of that income in retirement, and waiting to reach that level may delay your retirement past the point where you can really enjoy it. If you’re having trouble making ends meet while working you shouldn’t be thinking about retirement.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  mytimetotravel

Most people probably agree with your view, but aside from saving for retirement, why live well below your means while working?

Being able to retire comes down to money in most cases, when to retire likely involves more factors. If a person sees retirement as the thing to do, and they can support the long term lifestyle they desire, they should go for it.

Desired lifestyle and long term being the key factors IMO.

mytimetotravel
9 months ago
Reply to  R Quinn

Why not live below your means? If you have a good salary, but don’t want flashy cars or expensive clothes or a big house, why not follow your advice and save? Same thing with travel. I flew business class on FF miles across oceans, but I never stayed in posh hotels and very rarely took expensive tours or cruises and I bet I saw more of the countries I was visiting than those who did.

Last edited 9 months ago by mytimetotravel
David Baese
9 months ago

Richard,
It doesn’t matter if you aren’t the greatest investment guru in the history of the universe. It’s your work and your money and how you’ve managed it has been reasonable and profitable. I respect that in someone who is slightly older than I am Thank you.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  David Baese

Thank you, it’s been a long and occasionally rocky journey. A wiser person may have accumulated more, but I am more than satisfied and grateful.

Dan Smith
9 months ago

Success comes with having a plan. It doesn’t have to be the best plan. I like “save always save”, kind of a more clear way of advising someone to “pay themselves first”.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Dan Smith

My philosophy has always been save first, never pay credit card interest and then spend as you like. And after 55 years, my wife still agrees.

Jo Bo
9 months ago

Richard, thanks for advising a simple rule (keep the accounts growing) and advocating for 100% income replacement. These have been my guideposts, too. Early on I also aimed for the growth to be at least 2% ahead of inflation.

I did not realize until now your connection to PEG. My father worked at PG&E on the West Coast for thirty plus years, and, like you, took full advantage of the employee stock and retirement savings plans. At one point more than half of his savings was in company stock. I’d say, in your case, there but for fortune… My father and his retired PG&E buddies in the early 2000s would regularly bemoan the company bankruptcy, restructuring, and suspension of dividends that had befallen them. Through it all, perplexingly, most held on to their company stock. I suspect the long-lived among them experienced this anew following the Camp Fire tragedy. I am consequently gun shy of utilities. To me, they seem one wild fire or power plant disaster away from trouble.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Jo Bo

I can see your concern, but overall I think pretty safe. My company has been around since 1902 and had a pension plan since 1911- although all benefits have been cut in recent years.

SanLouisKid
9 months ago

I really like your approach. It’s probably not perfect but it seems to work perfectly for you. When you start at 18 you have an incredible advantage. You’re retired, comfortable, and still coherent enough to write interesting articles. I’d say you have things working pretty well.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  SanLouisKid

There are some who would debate the coherent part, at times my wife, but I just point out that I am younger than her.

Kenneth Tobin
9 months ago

You really don’t need more than 1-2 index funds: Total Stock and small cap for the 2% boost. The fewer the funds, the better the performance

booch221
9 months ago
Reply to  Kenneth Tobin

How much small cap do you need for the 2% boost?

M Plate
9 months ago

Even though I’m younger than you (who isn’t)? I can relate to so much of your story. I’m vested in 2 pensions. In the earliest years of my career good employers and employees had a certain loyalty to each other. It was mutually rewarding. That changed by the 1990’s.

In my mid 40’s I was railroaded into buying an annuity too. I join you in planning to increase my cash balances next year. 5% risk free.

My main issue with 100% income replacement is when the advisors at Vanguard, Fidelity, etc, tout it as the only worthy goal. It’s to their benefit that you hand over your investment dollars as long as possible. If they could make a compelling case for 110% income replacement, they would.

You’re financially savvy and well equipped to make sound decisions. I don’t fault with your decision to replace 100% of pre-retirement income. It helps you sleep well and aligns with your goal to leave a large legacy behind.

Had you retired a couple of years sooner. Perhaps being short of 100% replacement, would your years of retirement have been substandard in any way? Granted that your legacy goals wouldn’t be met.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  M Plate

Try as you may, you won’t make me feel older😃

I didn’t retire sooner mostly because I really enjoyed my job, I retired when I no longer did. That was the primary driver.

In the years retired we have accomplished all we desired so I have no regrets. I actually do not understand those who seek to voluntarily retire early- say before age 62, especially when they then show stress over spending and income.

Sleeping well is good, especially when you do it both in the afternoon and at night. 🤫

Lester Nail
9 months ago

I love how you think. Over the years I’ve made several boneheaded investment decisions, but I have enough money to retire at 63 and enough to not fear the future, which isn’t really in our hands anyway. Thanks for a honest bio of your investment life, it makes me feel as if I’m not as stupid as I thought !!

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Lester Nail

Gee, I’m not sure that’s a compliment. It appears I may have set a pretty low bar. 😎

Cammer Michael
9 months ago

Save, always save. That’s been very effective for us too. But as to the question, what could go wrong with the stock funds, I think it is worth answering explicitly. Since 2009 we’ve benefitted from a massive rise in the stock market. But look at your stock funds and ask, what if the market drops 60% and does not snap back? Consider that bond funds could drop too. How much do you want in cash regardless of possible inflation?

Ormode
9 months ago
Reply to  Cammer Michael

Especially since the cap-weighted S&P 500 is now about 35% in only 7 gigantic tech stocks. Their high price depends on low long-term interest rates, as Fed QT takes $1 trillion out of M2 every year, and the Treasury issues $2 trillion in bonds. Hmmm…..

Patrick Brennan
9 months ago
Reply to  Ormode

I think we can expect going forward, just like the past, for the money supply to grow 7% annually. I used to think we needed to get a return greater than inflation, now I’m thinking if you don’t earn 7% you are falling behind.

Dan Malone
9 months ago

With your net worth continuing to grow at age 80, what were your considerations in deciding who or what will benefit from your estate assets after your death, and your wife’s, based on your decades of frugality ? How did you decide that these persons or charities were more entitled to spend your earnings and savings than you and your wife? I’m asking these questions because I’m starting to ask them of myself at age 63.

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R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Dan Malone

That’s easy. In my working years in employee benefits I all too often saw the pain when an employee or retiree died with little or no provision for a surviving spouse. So making sure Connie has no financial issues as a survivor has always been the number one priority.

We give regularly to a number of charities and last year began using QCD for a portion our RMDs.

However, beyond that our goal is to help our children and grandchildren to the maximum possible. None have pensions or 401k the same as I did. Two have faced high medical bills and of course trying to save for college costs like many Americans.

As a parent I see it as an obligation to continue to help them and our 11 grandchildren as much as possible. But we do not do so in a way it limits our retirement.

Marjorie Kondrack
9 months ago
Reply to  Dan Malone

Dan…you have touched on a subject well worth pondering, especially at an early age. While frugality and savings are so important in building wealth they become such a big part of some people’s lives it’s difficult for them to switch gears and so many can’t seem to change.

R Quinn
9 months ago

We really don’t have trouble spending – did you know Talbots is having an 40% off sale? 🤑 It’s just our spending, all of it, comes from our income stream.

Ormode
9 months ago

Well, this shows that there are many ways to do it. If you invest a lot of money in something or other, you will gradually become wealthy. Maybe not as wealthy as you could have been, but wealthy.
Index-fund investing has been great for a few decades, but maybe things will change. Pensions were good, then 401-K plans were good for some, but there’s no guarantee it might not be something else in the future.
In my own case, I have been an individual stock after-tax investor all my life. Sure, I maxed my 401K and contributed to a Roth when my income was low enough, but the bulk of my assets have always been stocks in a brokerage account. I started as a vulture investor, but gradually turned into a value and dividend growth investor. After 40 years, I kind of know what I’m doing, and understand what kind of companies I want to own. Maybe this isn’t for you – everyone has to do whatever feels comfortable. Don’t let financial advisors tell you there is only one road to success.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Ormode

For good or bad, never used an advisor.

Steve Cousins
9 months ago

I think you are proof that time and having a large gap between income and spending are the keys to success. Even though you’ve made some sub par moves with things like universal life and annuities, time and minding the gap has created success.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Steve Cousins

That’s how I feel. I even bought a vacation home the year before our oldest was off to college back in 1987, totally irrational, but even that worked out.

Edmund Marsh
9 months ago

Dick, don’t count me among the critics of your 100% goal, I think more money is better than less. But as you say, you have benefits that are harder for today’s workers to emulate. What they can choose to match, though, is your work ethic, your attitude toward saving and your choice to take advantage of the opportunities presented to you. I find much to admire in your style.

R Quinn
9 months ago
Reply to  Edmund Marsh

👍 well that make two of us at 100%

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