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Laura E. Kelly

HOW MUCH OF YOUR retirement planning revolves around your kids and grandkids? Your estate planning goals probably include bequeathing a meaningful sum. Perhaps moving closer to your kids and grandkids is part of your plan. Whether you consciously think about it or not, you may be counting on your children to help out if needed during your final years. That seemed to be my father’s plan.

But what if you don’t have kids? How different would your retirement plan look?

When my husband Warren and I made the decision not to have children, retirement was in the distant future, although never forgotten. We were frugal types who always saved for retirement.

But now, in our 60s, the future is here. On some recent road trips, Warren and I spent our “windshield time” discussing how not having children might—or might not—affect our life’s third act. We’ve landed on three basic retirement rules tailor-made for a couple without kids. It seems to me, however, that our guidelines are relevant to anyone, kids or not.

Enjoy what you’ve earned. Even before hearing about “die with zero,” we were looking to spend down what we’ve sweated to amass. That could be considered a no-brainer if you have no kids to leave money to. But even if you have kids and grandkids, it’s worth asking yourself, “Am I overly concerned with leaving a large inheritance?”

Most of our friends’ children are doing just fine in their careers. Maybe an inheritance for those kids, who may not get it until they’re age 50 or 60, means they’ll be able to splurge on a boat. Is that what you’ve worked, saved and invested all those years for? Or can you think of better things you could do with your money?

If you opt to spend down your wealth, there’s the question of how to do it. Yes, lifelong savers like Warren and me actually need to figure out how to spend. A first stab at this is a 25-year self-pension plan we devised this year.

It starts with our estimated annual expenses multiplied by 25. We carved out that sum from our net worth. That’ll cover our basic spending money. What about our remaining net worth? We divided that into three buckets designed to be emptied over 25 years.

One bucket is a “travel account,” which we expect to empty faster in our retirement’s early years. The second bucket is the “house-plus account,” which will be used to either fix up our aging house or find and furnish a new place. Finally, there’s a “shortfall account” bucket that stands by to replenish the other buckets as needed over the next quarter-century. There’s nothing unique about this “self-pension” bucket concept—except that my husband came up with it, so he feels ownership of it.

Another way we could spend down to zero is by annuitizing part of our savings. I’ve read a lot about annuitizing savings on HumbleDollar. As someone who used to get a steady paycheck and doesn’t have a pension, I can see the appeal of income-on-autopilot, especially a decade or two from now when financial simplicity becomes a priority.

Finally, since we don’t have to worry about “robbing the kids,” I could imagine doing a reverse mortgage if we still own a house at age 80 and aren’t keen on moving. The house, however, may be long gone by then.

Focus on community and independence. When kids-as-caregivers isn’t an option, you’re forced to think about community and support systems. But here again, I wonder if this kind of thinking isn’t almost as necessary for people with kids. After all, even if your kids are willing to be your support system, is that what you want for them? Extended caretaking can take a real toll on a loved one’s life and happiness.

With care and community on our minds, we’ve been taking close looks at the following:

  • A long-term-care (LTC) insurance policy seems an obvious purchase for folks without kids. But the more I found out, the less sure I was. My friends seemed to be the ones supervising long-term care for their ailing parents. Who would supervise my care? I also wondered who would be there to help us in the long, fraught waiting period before LTC coverage kicks in. These issues, along with the long-term-care industry’s ever-rising expenses and viability, made me wonder if there was a better way.
  • Continuing care retirement communities, or CCRCs, where community and care are baked into the model, caught my eye this past year. This summer, I’ve already sat through two Zoom marketing pitches for new “life plan” communities being built in my Northeast region, and I’ve gotten a sense for how expensive they are to buy into. The answer: very. I’ve also learned that the earlier you move into one of these communities, the more you benefit from the active lifestyle they offer those in their “independent living” years.

Ideally, before settling on a CCRC, you should sample a place—meaning actually stay there a few days—to get a real sense of the community, rather than just taking a tour and studying the brochures. Sorry, Warren, but there go the beach trips. I foresee more than a few of our future vacations devoted to checking out communities in less expensive parts of the country. The waiting lists are apparently long and getting longer, as the boomers queue up for these places, so I guess we shouldn’t procrastinate.

  • We’re starting to discuss finding a professional to manage our health and financial affairs when we’re not capable. I asked a few friends for ideas or referrals, but nobody my age had given the topic any thought. My guess is “my busy kids will do that” is the plan. While this “not capable” time seems far off, I suppose it would be smart to find a much younger professional in the near-ish future, whom we can then get to know and trust.
  • Finally, we’ve had a few conversations about when one of us dies and the other is alone. That situation creates daily challenges that seem to me could only be partly solved by helpful children. We’re putting thought into how best to develop and maintain independent abilities and interests now that would help keep us emotionally afloat when we’re on our own. For instance, for 2024, we’re both deliberately scheduling independent trips without the other. We’re also ramping up the time and money we invest in our individual interests and hobbies.

Look to leave your mark. On a vacation in our 50s, we had dinner with a younger cousin of mine who lives in London. He listened to Warren talk about the books he’d written and said, “Okay, I get it. Your books are sort of like your children—what you’re leaving behind in the world.”

It was an interesting “aha” moment about this human need to leave a mark on this world we travel through. For some, the mere fact of having offspring is a great legacy. But there are other ways to derive purpose and fulfillment—ways that reflect who you are as an individual, not just as a paterfamilias or matriarch.

For years, Warren and I have had the time and freedom to explore those ways. It’s included activities like mentoring, giving back to the community via time and expertise, donating to organizations that matter to us, putting art out into the world, and spreading ideas through the written word.

I believe that everybody—with or without kids—should have a plan for how they’ll leave their mark. Wealthy individuals might start a foundation or endow college scholarships. Others may use sweat equity to build something or volunteer in their community as a tutor or mentor. I know folks who’ve variously started a local chorale, a company for driving elders, and a rescue operation for hard-to-place older dogs.

Embarking on a creative endeavor can be an especially fulfilling way to share a bit of yourself with the world. Perhaps start up a sketchbook journal chronicling a trip or your daily life—even if you can’t draw at the beginning. Create a blog that publishes a photo each day and describe what it means to you. Design a perennial garden. Build quirky birdhouses and give them to friends. Gather your favorite BBQ or ethnic recipes into a keepsake scrapbook.

As writers, Warren and I believe in composing a long letter or manuscript, or even just a simple list of details about your life, aspirations and interests. That might include the story of your financial journey, like those found in HumbleDollar’s book, My Money Journey. It could take months or years to put together this document, but you’ll be amazed how all the threads tie together and give meaning and shape to your life.

You may wonder who such a document is for.

It’s for you.

Laura E. Kelly is a web designer and book editor living in Mount Kisco, New York, with her husband, author Warren Berger. As Laura contemplates retirement and relocating, all of those things could change (well, probably not the husband). Her previous article was Dying at Home.

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Winston Smith
1 year ago

Pretty simple for us.

100% of our retirement planning revolves around our kids and grandkiddies.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Glad you have a solution that your family is on board with, Winston. Enjoy the fun time with the grandkids.

mytimetotravel
1 year ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Does that mean you are relying on them for your care as you get older and frailer?

evan rayers
1 year ago

I suspect there’s more like you than you believe and those numbers are growing. Many I know who know better than I have always practiced the mantra of “if you are moving” Rent there for a year first, if able.

The internets has changed all.
It provides a clearer picture of any future changes. Particularly both weather wise, and culturally.
Or plan for the 6 worst months anywhere your considering moving to, verses the best 6 months in FLA, or NYC.

The USA is a very diverse country. I certainly give you credit for planning for your and warrens future. Plans and histories can and seem to be changing on a dime.

Other than that I do not like to advise anyone, except to focus on their own research. But i’ve heard ‘rent first’ so many times I’m surprised it’s not a #1 consideration.

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Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  evan rayers

Thanks, Evan. “Rent first” would indeed be in the picture if we move. Along with LOTS of research about “what’s next.”

betsy larey
1 year ago

Thanks for the great article. My concern is I’m single, with a sister and brother who are older and in poor health. No other relatives. My neighbors are good friends, and I’m thinking of asking him to be the executor of my estate. It’s fairly substantial. I worry often about being older and in poor health when I’m living in one of those communities without anyone watching over me. What happens if you pick the wrong one? I don’t want to go into one until I’m 80. I’m in excellent health and am still a Teaching Pro (golf). I haven’t seen an article written on this subject on the humbledollar. Your thoughts?

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  betsy larey

Hi Betsy. Would the article you’re looking for be about how best to pick the right community for an 80-year-old or more generally what happens if we’re over 80 and on our own when the aging and healthcare issues really speed up? I wouldn’t be the writer of either of those articles since I don’t have the info (yet), but I’d certainly be interested in reading about how other people manage those things. I sense that with a number of boomers going through this scenario in the near future, there will soon be many articles on the internet with both helpful personal anecdotes and best practices.

Also, Patrick Friel in a comment below mentions The Aging Life Care Association, which has a national list of experts at https://www.aginglifecare.org/. Talking to a consultant like that earlier than later to get planning ideas and pointers might be a good investment.

James McGlynn CFA RICP®

Laura take a look at hybrid LTC insurance. I have kids and don’t expect them to monitor me all day if I need a caregiver. If you buy before you are in your 60’s they are affordable and premiums don’t increase.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago

Thanks, James. From what I understand, a major benefit of hybrid LTC is that if you never need care, your heirs receive the life insurance death benefit or the cash value from an annuity. It sounds great for people who want to purchase LTC insurance but hesitate because of the “use it or lose it” aspect. Since I’m not planning to leave a big inheritance to kids, that’s not what stopped me from going for the LTC insurance. One of the stoppers is the 90-day waiting period before the benefits kick in. What kind of care is happening during that 3-month period and who is organizing it if I’m out of it and my husband is no longer in the picture? But maybe having LTC’s “daily activity of life” coverage kick in 90 days into the predicament falls under “better late than never.”

Even though my husband and I are now firmly in our 60s, I know I should do more exploring of the LTC option, starting with articles like these here on HumbleDollar.com before having the door close on the opportunity.

A Suri
1 year ago

Thank you for your post – just fits my life [our lives] exactly – married, no kids, relatives are far away and almost inconsequential to our lives. Your article segs with my recent notes to myself – death/dying, inheritance, etc. Keep them coming, please.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  A Suri

Thanks, A Suri. Nice to “meet” you. Over the many years I’ve lived in the suburbs, I’ve rarely met other couples my age without children here. I know they’re out there, but hard to find!

mytimetotravel
1 year ago

Hi Laura – a Just One here. I’m so glad to see that you are taking thought for when one of you will also be a Just One. It always worries me when I see people planning to age in their long-time home. It may work out OK for the first to go, but the surviving spouse, possible exhausted from care-giving, will then have to manage on her (more likely her) own.

You are right to consider signing up for a CCRC in your sixties. I have seen the wait lists at my choice lengthen considerably just over the last four years. BTW, I recently encountered a new consideration when planning where to live – the cost of medical insurance. It turns out that the United Health Plan G I am buying for $151/month in North Carolina would cost me $342/month in Boca Raton.

I’m afraid your “die with zero” approach has no attraction for me. I would find it far too stressful. My CCRC promises not to throw me out if I run out of money, but I have no wish to actually arrive at that point. You talk about 25 years of living expenses, but also that you are in your 60s. I have always planned on the basis of living to 100, and I certainly expect to last past my mid-80s.

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Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  mytimetotravel

Thanks for your note, Kathy. This is good info: “United Health Plan G I am buying for $151/month in North Carolina would cost me $342/month in Boca Raton.” Also, the “die with zero” approach will be very hard for me to carry out, too. But helps give me a framework for dealing with the inevitable.

Marjorie Kondrack
1 year ago
Reply to  mytimetotravel

Kathy…good point about the difference in plan G premiums according to one’s location. My husband and I pay $343. Each. This also takes into consideration our age and probably health issues.

mytimetotravel
1 year ago

I am going back on Original Medicare plus Medigap after one year on Medicare Advantage. I was pleasantly surprised to see that United Health is now using Community Pricing in my area. Ironically, UH also runs the Medicare Advantage plan my ex-employer chose and they are having a contract dispute with one of the two university medical centers here. If they don’t resolve it and I stayed on the MA plan I would lose access to my PCP next year. Not a worry with Medigap.

Boomerst3
1 year ago

We have 4 kids and many grandkids. I’ve never looked at them as my ‘legacy’, for some reason. We give our kids money now as they raise their families. Both spouses work in all their families, and that is needed because home and child care costs here in the NE are very high. They don’t use this money to buy boats or other things. It helps them survive with reduced financial anxiety. We’ve given them down payments for homes because super high rents don’t allow for saving for a down payment in a timely manner. We don’t expect our kids to be caretakers for us. We will pay for that support if and when we need it. I agree that LTC policies are not good so we will self fund if necessary. We are not interested in a CCRC, and will stay in our home with any required help or assistance. Instead of giving all that money to the CCRC, it will be used for any needed support in -house. Your estate plan can name professionals to look after your health and financial affairs if needed.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Boomerst3

Your actions and plans sound like most of my friends-with-kids’ plans, Boomers3. It all makes sense, especially in today’s expensive world. This is the part I need to work on: “Your estate plan can name professionals to look after your health and financial affairs if needed.” I assume it’s us who has to find and name these professionals in the estate plan to help us with health and financial affairs later, right? Hard to know today where I’ll be and what I’ll need 25 years from now (if I live that long), but I’ll try to make plans, and then change them as needed.

Marjorie Kondrack
1 year ago
Reply to  Boomerst3

Boomer…your points are well taken. What is it they say about the best laid plans of mice and men. Life happens. My husband’s parents spent a small fortune on the care of their disabled son, and in their 80’s his father was in the hospital having open heart surgery and his mother had just come home after having a double ileostomy. We had to arrange and pay for 24/7 care for them and did so gladly.

The legacy they left us was their love.

Linda Grady
1 year ago

Laura, thank you for your honest and thought provoking column I found myself stopping multiple times to think about your points and even individual sentences that reflect so much understanding and insight into different situations. As you and Warren search for a retirement home, I hope you will consider my corner of Northeastern PA, just across the Delaware. My husband and I were lifelong New Yorkers but found Westchester way too expensive. Now alone, I’m very happy with our choice. It’s a tiny town but noted for the many artists and writers who choose to settle here. Thanks again.

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Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Linda Grady

I was in your neck of the woods this summer, Linda, seeing a musical at the Bucks County Playhouse with a friend. I loved the area, and have been planning to go back there with Warren to check it out more. Your plug for it is very timely, thanks.

SanLouisKid
1 year ago

Great article and a summary of what my wife and I are dealing with. My wife will live to be 100+ (great health, good family genes, stays active) but I will not, so my planning has to allow for that. I’ve written books and have my name splashed on the screen for a documentary as co-producer so there will be some tidbits of my existence left behind, but no children.

A friend of mine donated a good-sized sum to the college we both graduated from and has his name on the building. It’s nice but I doubt if any student on campus knows who he is. I will also make a donation to the college but won’t have my name on anything.

In several hundred years my name will be lost in history and that’s ok. I’m operating on this quote, “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago.” It’s been attributed to Warren Buffett, but I think he borrowed it from someone else.

All of us are sitting in “shade” today because thousands of nameless people “planted a tree” many years ago. I just hope things improve and get better for everyone in the next hundreds of years.

Nagaraj Arakere
1 year ago
Reply to  SanLouisKid

Good thoughts. Speaking of trees, I highly recommend reading the wonderful novel ‘The Overstory’ by Richard Powers, about nine Americans whose unique life experiences with trees bring them together.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  SanLouisKid

I love your attitude, SanLouisKid. I might take it literally, too. This summer our two longtime lilac trees died, apparently due to a new fungus. They will have to be cut down next spring, if a miracle doesn’t happen. Maybe now I’ll think about planting two new (not lilac) trees, even though we’ll probably be long gone from this house before they’re tall enough to give shade.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura E. Kelly

Now it’s spring 2024, and I’m happy to report my two lilac trees came back full force this spring. Let’s see if they make it through the summer with their foliage.

Patrick Friel
1 year ago

Thanks for sharing Laura. My wife has early onset dementia, and we have benefitted greatly from using a care advisor in our area. She is an MSW with broad experience in longterm care and memory care. The Aging Life Care Association has a national list of experts at https://www.aginglifecare.org/

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Patrick Friel

Thanks very much for that link, Patrick.

R Quinn
1 year ago

Interesting points of view. Your thoughts are unique in the context of not having children, but certainly valid.

On the other hand, with four children and 11 grandchildren, the last thing we want to do is spend it down. Our children, two of whom were faced with serious illnesses in their family and the high bills to go with it, plus all of them saving for retirement and college bills will appreciate an inheritance at some point and that is our goal.

None of them are as fortunate as my wife and I have been.

In the meantime, we share a portion of RMDs with them and use part of each RMD for Qualified Charitable Distributions (QCD).

The thing is you are rightly looking and planning for the future, but my wife and I are already their.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  R Quinn

Sounds like you’re spending some of it down, Richard, but doing it by helping out family in present day. A chunk of our spending down will go towards that, too, and so many other things not in our three main buckets. This decumulation phase is going to be interesting.

R Quinn
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura E. Kelly

Only because we must take RMDs so we give some to charity, to family and reinvest the rest.

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mytimetotravel
1 year ago
Reply to  R Quinn

Not having children, even as an older adult, is hardly unique, and the numbers are growing (the numbers below are from 2018). See: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/childless-older-adult-population.html

“Of all adults ages 55 to 64, 19.6% were childless, compared to 15.9% of those ages 65 to 74, and 10.9% of those 75 years and older.”

DrLefty
1 year ago

I agree that all of your points apply equally well to those of us who have adult kids. You can’t always count on them to be capable or willing to do what you need, and even if they are, you might not want that for them.

We’re in late-stage caregiving with my in-laws right now, and it’s really hard mentally and emotionally. The situation would be a lot easier if they had taken some sensible preparation steps. Going through this makes me highly motivated not to inflict this kind of stress on my own kids.

M Plate
1 year ago
Reply to  DrLefty

It is interesting how someone ends up paying a price. Maybe it’s the parents helping an irresponsible or unlucky adult child. Or maybe it’s the grown child helping a formerly irresponsible or unlucky parent. I don’t mean that to seem harsh. Unlucky mean at no fault of their own.
In an idea world…The good parent does a lot for their children. Later the good child does a lot for the parent. All motivated by love.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  DrLefty

I’ll be interested to read what sensible steps you put in place during this highly motivated period, Dr. Lefty. I take notes from other HD writers and my to do list is getting pretty long! Now just have to stay motivated…

Jo Bo
1 year ago

Many good points, thanks, Laura.

As someone in the same shoes — childless, by choice — I’d add another point. The responsibility of tending to one’s future self must include a focus on fitness and diet, always and as much as possible. In this way, one can hope to lessen or delay the need for care facilities.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Jo Bo

Keeping a laser focus on fitness and diet in our 60s, something within our control, is excellent advice, Jo Bo.

William Perry
1 year ago
Reply to  Jo Bo

I second your recommendation to have a strong focus on fitness regardless of being single or a couple. I do think the realization of the need to maintain or improve your physical abilities to be able to function as you age may initially be more apparent to single person.

For a couple, when one member becomes unable to physically contribute to your joint activities of life as they have in the past, a prior decision and actions regarding fitness is a wonderful and likely necessary gift to your partner for the happiness of both.

When your physical capabilities change I recommend to the healthier spouse to find ways that permit their partner to do all that is possible to keep their sense of purpose regarding their previous activities that they can no longer fully do and find or shift joint activities to them that their physical abilities still allow them to perform.

My mom was in a wheel chair for the last 15 years of her life but she never thought of herself as disabled until dad died before her.

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Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  William Perry

Wonderful advice about maintaining physical abilities, William, and how one might proceed if one partner develops limitations.

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jerry pinkard
1 year ago

Interesting article Laura. Thanks for sharing.

I am 79 and my wife is 80. We still live in our home of 50 years and have no plans to move. It is a private 2 acres with lots of trees (think leaf raking). We love where we live and cannot imagine life elsewhere. Our son is local and does maintenance and repairs as we need them and I pay him for doing so. Our daughter lives 4 hours away and can help if we ever need her to.

I think every home owner needs two things: a good handyman and a good, honest auto mechanic. Our son is our handyman and we have a great auto mechanic.

Of course, the day may come when we need more care and have to move. Some people think we are foolish not to prepare for that now, but our hope and prayer is this where we will live out our lives at home.

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Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  jerry pinkard

You have a wonderful situation, Jerry, and I hope you get to enjoy it through to the end. From reading past HD comments, having a son who’s a handyman might only be topped by having a daughter who’s a nurse. (-:

R Quinn
1 year ago
Reply to  jerry pinkard

It was the three story house and laundry in the basement that got us to rethink and eventually move to a condo.

jerry pinkard
1 year ago
Reply to  R Quinn

Fortunately, we have a ranch home. Otherwise, we would have already moved.

Ed Kierce
1 year ago

Great article with sound advice, thank you

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Kierce

Thank you, Ed.

Marjorie Kondrack
1 year ago

Very fine article, Laura, and I can strongly relate. My husband, Rich and I have no children either. It wasn’t a choice.— we did want them, and thought they would eventually come. At a certain point it became an impossibility and we couldn’t come together on adoption.Some make it a lifelong regret. We looked at raising children asia wonderful life experience we missed out on.

we were the kids who looked after family, and as we just felt, there was a serious need. I am overcome with feelings when I think of just how serious those needs were, and how much suffering was endured.

One day I was somewhat startled when a close friend told me she thought I had a terrible life,, because I never looked at it that way I was given so much in the way of talents and fine attributes. I always.hewed to the old saying.” to whom much is given, much is expected.”

perhaps we carried this too far and yours might be the healthier and more beneficial way for all concerned. But we have no regrets and in the autumn of our years, we are at peace.

I wish you and your husband every happiness and success in carrying out your purposeful legacy plan.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago

Marjorie, I’m sorry that raising children wasn’t part of your life experience as you hoped. Not having children meant for me, like you, that I have helped out my other family members more than typical, probably. All that said, it doesn’t seem possible that a friend would say to you that you had “a terrible life,” when you obviously have had a full, rich and giving life. I could write a separate article about things people have said to me about not having children. Best to have a sense of humor about it, or at least a peaceful acceptance of other people’s lifestyles and viewpoints.

Linda Grady
1 year ago

Thanks, as always, for sharing your personal story, Marjorie. I often think of my sister when I read about your care for family. I can never thank her enough for the care she gives our mother.

M Plate
1 year ago
Reply to  Linda Grady

It is wonderful when siblings recognize those that do the lion’s share of parental care. Sometimes a self-absorbed sibling is oblivious to the efforts of the other.

Marjorie Kondrack
1 year ago
Reply to  Linda Grady

Linda…so good of you to give your sister the support that every caregiver should receive from others, especially family members. It’s so important.

Rick Connor
1 year ago

Thanks for the interesting and thought-provoking article Laura. I agree that these topics are important for folks with children as well as those without.

Your mention of independent travel stuck a recency cord with me. My wife and I recently took a trip with two of her brothers and their wives. It was a small ship cruise with 43 passengers. Ages ranged from 52 to 87. Fully1/4 of the passengers were single, or unaccompanied married women. Two were by themselves – the tour company go them together, Others were mother-daughter, sisters, cousins, or friends. One was a widow originally from our home area. She bonded with us and we “adopted” her into our clan. Her husband had died suddenly a decade ago. Someone asked her about traveling solo, and she simply stated that she realized she could sit around feeling sorry for herself as her friends described their amazing trips, or she get up and go on her own. We were all impressed with her independence and attitude.

Interestingly, there were no unaccompanied or single men on the trip. I don[t know what that says.

Apparently this is not uncommon with seasoned travelers. Some tour companies seem to manage this quite well. I look forward to reading about how your independent travels go.

Laura E. Kelly
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Connor

Interesting observations, Rick. I did my first solo trip last fall, to Peru with a group of 7 other female solo travelers. It was specifically set up for women who didn’t know each other, and we each had our own rooms as we traveled around the country. For me, it was a wonderful experience. Finally, I could browse around the markets without my husband saying, “Are you done yet?” But I kept wishing he were there seeing the same sights I was.

He’s fine traveling on his own, but says he would never travel alone with a group. One of my goals is to find some group trip that would be irresistible to him but highly resistable to me. (Do they do football excursions?)

shirl59
1 year ago

There is no guarantee that just because you have children that they will take care of you in your old age!

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