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AUTHOR: Don Southworth on 3/04/2025

I just returned from a six-day silent retreat. What in the world could that have to do with retirement and financial life?  Maybe nothing or maybe a lot.  I’ve been going on silent retreats for more than 20 years, ever since I became a minister and they were part of my spiritual and professional development. These days in my semi-retired lifestyle they are still part of both.

One of my goals for the retreat was to write a draft article about moving to California for Humble Dollar. As I wrote last year, we had the unexpected gift of our first grandchild being born in November 2023. We decided when we visited her last spring that we would leave North Carolina and move to the Bay Area in California, which was our home until 2001 and is where our son and his family live. 

If you read articles about the best places to retire, North Carolina is near the top and California is near the bottom. Selling in California and buying – or even renting – in North Carolina makes smart financial sense. Doing it the other way? Not so much.

We found a manufactured home last July that was in our price range and close to family. We made an offer below asking price. After some back and forth the seller said no. We soon found another home in the same neighborhood.  This time we made an offer above asking but we were outbid. The first home we had bid on ended up being sold for less than our offer! 

We get daily real estate updates and went back to California in November to celebrate our granddaughter’s one year birthday and to look for houses all over Northern California.  We decided to wait for the next house that comes available in the neighborhood we can afford and love.

Waiting has been torture. We are waiting to put our house on the market until we can buy a house in California which means half of our stuff is packed in boxes in the garage. Thankfully, we get lots of pictures of our, now, 15 month-old granddaughter, but pictures and video calls can’t replicate holding her, watching her eyes sparkle when she realizes who we are and rolling around on the floor playing with her.

I promised Jonathan I’d write an article about moving to California hoping it would have a happy ending with us living in California. I don’t take promises to dying men lightly but I haven’t been able to figure out what to write until now. Silent retreats can teach a lot of wisdom but waiting is right near the top of the list.

Back in the days when I would have an occasional job interview I always answered the same way when asked what is one of my faults/weaknesses/growing areas. Impatience. I answered because it was true and because impatience was as helpful as it was harmful to me in my professional life. I often got things done sooner than others. But sometimes I rushed too quickly and that would get me in trouble.

Three things I have learned about waiting in the last few months that apply to buying real estate, investing, or deepening my spiritual awareness.

  1. Doing nothing can be better than doing something. – Many of my investing mistakes I have made over the years has been doing something before/when I should have, Selling in a down market, buying in a rising market, or selling a stock when it went up. Searching Redfin and Zillow for houses can be addictive, time-consuming and not very productive. Since my wife and I decided we would wait for a house in one neighborhood, there has been a relative sense of peace. While we are tired of waiting and want to be near our grand daughter before she starts driving, this feels like leaving an index fund alone no matter what the market does.
  2. Trust the process. – Steve Jobs gave a wonderful commencement speech at Stanford in 2005. Among the wisdom he shared that day was that life usually makes sense when we look back and connect the dots. I have no idea when, or if, we will ever move back to California. But I do know that trusting the process of life, of investing, of personal/spiritual growth works. Do the best and rightest things you can do and things generally turn out okay. At least they almost always have for me – even though I may not have realized it for years or decades.
  3. Accept the things I cannot change. – I have learned this from being in recovery and investing/saving for most of my life. Luck and timing have more to do with my financial security than anything else. I have no power to change the economy, the market or when someone will put a house up for sale that checks all our boxes. I can do lots of things to force the situation (bid more than we want for a house, try to figure out the direction of the market) but most of that is beyond my power and control. When I make peace with that life seems smoother. But it doesn’t mean I like it.
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David Taylor
18 days ago

We are about 16-20 months away from moving from Chicago to Los Angeles, for the same reason, grandchildren. It makes absolutely no financial sense to do so but the time I’ve spent planning our financial future tells me we can do it. I may need to work a few extra years than I had planned but the thought of being able to see our (future) grandkids every day or so fills us with excitement. Hope you get to SF soon!

jerry pinkard
19 days ago

Best wishes in finding a new home. I worked for a company in the Carolinas that also had a San Diego office. Transferring to the Carolinas was great, but it was very challenging financially to go the other way and few people did it.

I have lived in NC for 60 years and cannot think of a place I would rather be. But if I had children and grandchildren in CA, I would do what you are trying to do. Do not wait too long. They grow up fast.

jdean
19 days ago

Having lived in central N.Carolina and northern California; there’s no doubt which has the better weather and costs. CA for weather and NC for living expenses. I’m all about comfort as I age, thus live in CA. (Plus, our daughter’s family lives only a couple of hours away.)

DrLefty
20 days ago

I grew up in the Bay Area and still live fairly close to it and go often. My husband graduated from a Concord high school though his address was Walnut Creek. Lovely area, and being able to hop on BART to go to SF is great.

I appreciate your wisdom about patience and timing. We’ve been pondering various scenarios as to housing and moving, but the pieces haven’t quite fallen into place. It’s not just about finding the actual house, but we need a couple of data points to fall into place before making a major financial decision. (One of them, of course, is the current trajectory of the stock market.) So, we wait.

baldscreen
22 days ago

I hope you find a place soon, Don. We moved 10 years ago to be near our kids and it took 5 mos to find a place. Spring homebuying season is coming soon, so hopefully more listings. We love our “new” town and would stay here even if our kids left the area. Chris

Cecilia Beverly
23 days ago

Have you thought about renting? Kids grow so quickly – perhaps instead of waiting an unknown length of time for a house to come on the market in the neighborhood you want, you could move now and rent. I lived in the Bay Area for ~18 years (left 4 years ago) and owned a home there for 10 of those years. Getting home insurance was tough then, and has gotten harder and more expensive since. Renting would also give you the flexibility to expore other neighborhoods before committing. Just a thought…

Catherine
23 days ago

The price of a traditional sticks-and-bricks house in California has tripled since 2012, according to the California Association of Realtors’ latest report. So you are hardly alone in your sticker shock.

It’s not a new problem, I faced this in 1989, when I sold a house in Utah and bought one in California: half the house at twice the price. It was alarming! The housing market (and rental market) is extremely challenging in this state. But you know that, having left it in 2001.

That said, and you also having already decided on a neighborhood, I might still suggest you look further than the Bay Area, out to where there are more cost effective neighborhoods. Amtrak runs 16 trains a day between San Francisco to Sacramento, some going as far as Auburn. Your granddaughter might enjoy train rides to grandma’s and grandpa’s place. Towns like Martinez have wonderful walkable downtowns. And with so many trains each day, you could get together as often as you like.

In the latest reports, the most affordable counties are Amador, Sutter, and Yuba, the first includes a beautiful foothills area… Not the Bay Area nor on the Capitol Corridor Amtrak route, but lots closer than North Carolina.

And I see you found a manufactured home neighborhood you like. As a recent buyer of a tin can casita sitting on a rented lot in the desert, I agree this is one way to reduce the cost of being near your beloved grandchild.

Catherine
22 days ago
Reply to  Don Southworth

BART is the ticket for you for sure and that part of the Bay Area is building a lot of new housing. Good luck!

Rick Connor
23 days ago

Don, I wish you the best of luck in finding a home for you and your wife. The bay area is a wonderful, beautiful place. My daughter-in-law is from there, and I spent many weeks of my career in Silicon Valley. If my boys moved there we would be packing boxes. Make the decision that is right for you and your wife and family. I look forward to the stories of you and your wife taking your granddaughter to the playground.

It took Vicky and me about a year to find something before we moved in 2023. We had a list of things we thought made sense at our age – first floor master bedroom, laundry on the same floor, ADA friendly (not necessarily compliant). We got none of those. The new house is 2 stories with a finished basement. Bedrooms on the 2nd floor; laundry in the basement. Stairs are a bit steep and narrow. But we are 100 yards from our youngest son and family, and 2 hours closer to our older son and family. The location is far more important than the house itself. I don’t want to make it sound awful – our new house is lovely, and the stairs will keep us young. This will not likely be our “forever” home, and that’s OK.

David Lancaster
23 days ago
Reply to  Rick Connor

Rick, there are stair glides if the stairs get too challenging. When my mother in law moved in with us almost a year ago we had one installed. I think the one year old used one (they are often used for very short times) we purchased cost about 3K installed. She is 103 and still can’t use it independently.

When we built our retirement house 8 years ago we wanted a ranch, but they are much more expensive (twice the foundation and roof for the same square footage, and more land (required for zoning setbacks). When we built our two story colonial, the design was such that the study downstairs can be converted to a bedroom, and the bathroom/ laundry across the hall could be modified to add a small roll in shower and stackable laundry. But since we installed the stair glides we realized that the downstairs bedroom would only be necessary if one of us was to become wheelchair bound.

Last edited 23 days ago by David Lancaster
Rick Connor
23 days ago

David, thanks for the suggestion. We had stair glides for my dad his last year or so and it worked out very well. We had them removed after he died, and then brought them back 4 years later when my mom got sick. We rented them each time for a reasonable cost. They were a great help. We even used them when our black lab blew out an ACL on his rear leg and needed surgery!

Our current house has “switchback” stairs. They turn 180 degrees, There 2 separate landings in the middle that need to be negotiated. I did a little Googling and it appears there are custom configurations that can handle a 180 degree turn. Good to know.

It sounds like you guys did a great job planning for remaining in place indoor home. We have a powder room on our first floor that could likely be expanded to add a shower if necessary, and a sun room that could be a bedroom in an emergency. Hopefully neither will be necessary.

jan Ohara
23 days ago

Don, I can completely understand the compelling “need” to be near grandchildren as I have a 2 year old on the West Coast and a 4 month old in the Northeast. We live in FL so I am flying most months to be with them. Had they lived in the same state anywhere (as I thought we had agreed upon when they were in college!), we would probably be moving. I say “probably” only because it would take some convincing of my husband. I, too, have fallen down the rabbit hole of searching Zillow many times, made lists of things we need to do to sell our current home and researched realtors. But recently, I have made strides in all three of the areas you lay out and have settled myself down, much to the relief of my husband. Given the three guiding tenets you follow, I have no doubt that you will find the right path forward for you and your wife. Thank you for reminding me of the value of trust and patience. Best of luck to you!

mytimetotravel
23 days ago
Reply to  Don Southworth

I suggest spending time on this website and picking a credit card or cards to accrue miles or points. After I retired, with a number of AA frequent flyer miles from business travel, I got an AA affinity credit card and have continued to earn miles with them. I’ve used the miles for business class travel on several of the associated OneWorld airlines.

jan Ohara
23 days ago
Reply to  Don Southworth

It’s definitely a challenge to keep costs down but I’m finding ways. I use what miles and points I have and I’m always the first to volunteer to take a different flight on overbooked flights. Last time that got me $700, which I was pretty excited about! Following your dream is a good life lesson to pass on to your children in and of itself. Kudos to you for the courage to do that!

Rick Connor
23 days ago
Reply to  jan Ohara

Jan, thanks for your story. It must be difficult with grandchildren on both coasts. We have friends with 3 adult daughters – one in Pittsburgh, one in Houston, and one in Portland, Or. Their solution was to sell their farm in NE PA, and buy a large RV and a jeep to tow. They spend different months of the year in each location, taking advantage of the best weather in each. They are not sure how long it will last, but it’s one way of approaching the situation.

David Lancaster
23 days ago
Reply to  Rick Connor

Our two children live across the country from each other. Our son in the mountains (we live near the seacoast) of NH where they grew up. Our daughter lives in Orange County California. You can’t get much further apart in the continental US. We still see each other at least annually, except during COVID. No grandchildren yet, and the clock is ticking as both are fast approaching 40.

jan Ohara
23 days ago
Reply to  Rick Connor

Thanks, Rick. That idea holds some appeal to me as I have a bit of the nomad in me, but not so much my husband. But it’s worth kicking around some more. It sounds like it was the perfect solution for your friends. I enjoy hearing how others make it work.

mytimetotravel
23 days ago

How sure are you that your son and family will stay put? (Like Jeff, I’m staying in NC, despite the summers.)

mytimetotravel
23 days ago
Reply to  Don Southworth

I agree that spring and fall are lovely in NC, however my point had to do with the possibility of your son moving again. Would you then move again yourself?

Jeff Bond
23 days ago

Great post. As a North Carolina resident, having lived in Raleigh since I started college in 1971, it would be mighty hard to pry me out of this area. Having a nephew in the San Francisco area, and hearing tales of “time to move, they increased the rent”, I cannot imagine wanting to live there and consequently reduce my standard of living.

Continue to trust your instincts. Wanting to be near family is an important motivator.

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