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Catherine retired from the University of San Francisco, where she served as associate dean in the School of Management. As an associate professor her research and teaching focused on energy, public policy, public finance and government technology. She also spent over a decade in government jobs with the city and a public utility, and another decade in private sector IT. In retirement she serves on the Sacramento Independent Redistricting Commission, which created district maps to reflect population changes related to the 2020 US Census.  Her retirement hobbies include investing, gardening, and home repair.

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    4% every year? even this one?

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    AUTHOR: Catherine on 4/9/2025
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    • Thanks for sharing your strategy. "...most of the time my nest egg was growing" The essence of successful saving for retirement, or anything else.

      Post: 4% every year? even this one?

      Link to comment from April 14, 2025

    • Yep. That would be us! I like the reflective process of rethinking it each year. To remind myself by reviewing my investments that I'm not able to outperform the markets writ large. And to review what I spent, and the taxes incurred int taking out of tax-sheltered retirement accounts to spend it. If I had a lifetime do-over, I'd never have contributed to an ordinary IRA but didn't have a chance at Roths till late in my career and so have very little in those instruments. Certainly, taxes are a pay-me-now, pay-me-later deal.

      Post: 4% every year? even this one?

      Link to comment from April 14, 2025

    • Thanks for sharing this. Very helpful.

      Post: 4% every year? even this one?

      Link to comment from April 10, 2025

    • Thanks! I really like your written investment policy statement. Probably a good idea if I write one up too! Everyone's situation is different, and many experience idiosyncratic changes, sometimes suddenly. Yet it seems we share our end goals, saving/investing for the time when we are no longer employed (employable) and hoping to go the distance without too many troubles and limited dependency on others. That's why I'm interested in other people's withdrawal strategies as I face my own situation. I appreciate you sharing yours.

      Post: 4% every year? even this one?

      Link to comment from April 10, 2025

    • I’ve just finished my 2024 return so am in the right frame of mind to look more closely at what my RMDs could look like and the taxes associated with spreading out my withdrawals a bit. I too want to spread the tax hit across more years. Best time to do that was the first two years after my spouse passed away but I was preoccupied then, keeping my family and myself going, especially once the pandemic hit. So I’m operating from a weaker position than 5 or 6 years ago. Still, I am grateful to be in a pretty good position overall and hope not to have to lean on my kids at a time when they are just getting started.

      Post: 4% every year? even this one?

      Link to comment from April 9, 2025

    • This is very helpful! Is the need for “a bit more planning” related to your nest egg getting whittled down or to recent inflation? (My nest egg feels smaller now compared to the start of 2021.)

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      Link to comment from April 9, 2025

    • Thanks! Your strategy brings up a corollary consideration for me. I have a TIAA account, with some of the money in the guaranteed pool and some in equities. I started taking interest only distributions from the guaranteed pool (something that can be done, must start before age 70) but that’s all so far. It seemed like a way to ease into withdrawals without causing much of a tax downside, though it’s taxed as ordinary income I believe.

      Post: 4% every year? even this one?

      Link to comment from April 9, 2025

    • Friday night before Black Monday 1987 I got on the phone with my brother. We agreed to ride out the fall. 22.6% in one day. After the 4.6% on Friday. So that was a third of my net worth in one quick swoop. And not just paper losses as I had to draw on my savings in 1988. Have ridden out many similar shocks over the years. Keeping an adequate reserve is the big lesson I got from 1987, as my father fell ill and I had to take a distribution from my nascent 401k to pay for airfare, etc. Did we recover from this loss? Sure, and then some. Also recovered from several boneheaded investment decisions over our lifetimes and now am more reflective about what it means to have a diversified portfolio.(Still annoyed at 2022 when virtually every asset class lost value.) We bought a "new" used car last year after one kid had an accident. That 2019 car is nicer than the one I bought new in 2023 when some electronic and other components were in short supply (remember the run up in used car prices 2020, 2021?) To celebrate my first kid graduating from college next month, I recently bought her (and her siblings) a "new" refurbished iPhone. She got her first phone at high school graduation four years ago. Reduce, Renew, Recycle, isn't that a motto of the environmental movement? And hasn't globalization spawned the rise of "fast fashion", the demise of American factories, and a huge reduction of quality furniture built in North Carolina? For all the benefits, some changes since the 1990s have been unfortunate for people and places in the US and elsewhere (Watch any documentary about "recycling" plants in foreign countries with weak workplace and environmental protections.) Agreed, Dennis, it's other losses that are truly catastrophic (loss of health, loss of loved ones) where recovery is not possible. I'm grateful to have enough most of the time, and friends/family all of the time. Perspective is the watchword of the moment.

      Post: Finding Your Balance by Dennis Friedman

      Link to comment from April 7, 2025

    • One way or another, assure yourself enough hot water, Elaine (Sorry, Jonathan, if this leads to an early replacement.) I'm almost too frugal to replace the water heater at my tin can casita but it's top of the list for my next project, as it's only 19 gallons. Meanwhile I'll wait for summer to get a long hot shower. I guess the person living in my ersatz fishing shack in 2011 didn't take hot showers or baths? BTW, I was recently told by a contractor for the gas company that tankless water heating systems use more energy than a tank system. This surprised me.

      Post: Replacing the Replacement

      Link to comment from March 6, 2025

    • BART is the ticket for you for sure and that part of the Bay Area is building a lot of new housing. Good luck!

      Post: California On Our Minds

      Link to comment from March 6, 2025

    Articles

    My House Divided

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Feb 13, 2025

    I’M A HOUSEHOLD of one—in theory. True, one adult child lives rent-free in our family home in California. Her first full-time job’s wages are too low for her to afford an apartment in our expensive urban area.
    I’m also paying college expenses for another daughter living on campus 80 miles away. She’s working part-time and will graduate this coming spring semester. With a STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) degree, I hope she’ll find gainful full-time employment soon after.

    Give It Away Already

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Jan 23, 2025

    DRIVING CROSSTOWN, my brother and I stopped at an onramp, where a man held a cardboard sign.
    “Does anyone give these people money?” my brother asked, then immediately answered his own question by mentioning a friend who hands out bottles of water instead. “Anything helps,” read the man’s sign.
    “Sure,” I said. “I’ve seen people pass $5 bills out the window.” A single dollar used to be enough for a panhandler to end his shift and shuffle off to the nearest mini-market.

    Rent Forever?

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Jan 9, 2025

    STOCKS, BONDS, CASH—and a house owned free and clear. For many, that’s the recipe for a financially successful retirement. Our homes represent a central pillar of middle-class status. With a paid-off mortgage, we have an affordable place to spend our old age.
    Yet signing up for decades of house payments has become controversial for its high opportunity cost—what you give up to pay the mortgage. Has a home mortgage, with its long, slow road to payoff,

    My Humble Abode

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Dec 18, 2024

    SIPPING MORNING coffee on the porch of my 40-year-old aluminum box in the Sonoran Desert, I’m pondering the cost of housing.
    My affordable unit sits on cement piers at the end of a street within an age-restricted park, at the sparsely populated edge of Tucson. Few jobs exist nearby. Civic amenities are modest. Summer weather is challenging, with heat, thunderstorms and seasonal rattlesnakes. Still, these conditions have created a financially comfortable place for a retiree to live.

    Household Affairs

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Nov 20, 2024

    IN JANUARY, I surrendered to passionate irrationality, buying a park unit in Arizona that has become my second home.
    Now I understand why, at least in the movie cliché, a man might buy house slippers for his long-suffering wife’s birthday, while giving flashy, expensive baubles to his girlfriend for no reason at all.
    My single-wide “girlfriend” is tiny and fragile, the bloom off her youth. Things that improve her are easily obtained. A phone call to a friendly fellow at a store,

    My Dream Hideaway

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Aug 28, 2024

    WHEN I ASKED MY brother what to bring to my newly purchased winter home in Tucson, his response was succinct: “Money. Lots. And extra credit cards.”
    The voice of experience, he bought a so-called park unit five years ago before home prices soared, up 47% since early 2020 . My expenses in buying my place—and making it into what I wanted—had me selling beaten-down shares in a total bond fund to refill my cash accounts.

    A New Kind of Heaven

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  May 1, 2024

    I’M TYPICALLY FRUGAL and financially cautious. But this past January, I became reckless. No, it wasn’t love, at least not the ordinary kind. Rather, I saw a photograph and made an offer of $48,000 on a “park unit” located 1,000 miles from home.
    Park unit, I learned, is a technical term for a variant of what I’d call a mobile home. My first task was to look up the term, so I’d know what I was offering to buy.

    Twin Peeks

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Jan 12, 2024

    CAN IT REALLY BE TWO years since I wrote about sending my twins off to college? One is a chemistry major, midway through her junior year. Meanwhile, for her twin sister, the artist, there have been big changes in her college trajectory.
    My initial criteria for college selections included published statistics on cost, likelihood of admission, timely graduation and low rates of loan default. I took this last stat as a reasonable proxy for post-college success.

    Rethinking My Mix

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Nov 13, 2021

    ASSET ALLOCATION is usually a set-it-and-forget-it exercise. At least, that’s how I’ve handled it until now. I decided on my appetite for risk, then set my stock-bond ratio accordingly.
    I tallied everything once or twice a year, and then rebalanced. I’d apply a portion of my winning positions to my less successful asset classes. Rebalancing this way forced me to buy low and sell high. Combined with dollar-cost averaging, it’s an investing approach that’s served me well for more than 20 years.

    Not Your Friends

    Catherine Horiuchi   |  Oct 9, 2021

    FINANCIAL FIRMS spend heavily on marketing to create a friendly, customer-first impression. But these firms aren’t your friends, at least not in the ordinary sense of the word. They make their money, fairly and legally, by providing specific services to customers.
    Friendliness at a retail level keeps your capital in place, where it works for the firm’s benefit. Every once in a while, I see language that clearly expresses what they want from our “relationship.” These communications help me review where I do business,

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