I’ve been doing a lot of reading on Roth conversions lately, and I’m seriously considering pulling the trigger on one this year. But before I make any moves, I wanted to get some feedback from those of you who have been through the process.
A little background: I’m in my mid-50s, still working, and in a relatively high tax bracket. I have a mix of retirement accounts – mostly in a traditional IRA and a 401(k). I also have some cash on hand to cover the tax hit if I go through with the conversion. My thinking is that tax rates could go up in the future, and I like the idea of locking in my tax bill now instead of worrying about it in retirement.
I’m looking for a financial advisor to help with this. I found one near me that people praised on reddit. They seem to cover mega backdoor roth conversions but I wanted to get some other points of reference first. I’ve also read this article on Roth conversions but I had some additional questions I’ve been mulling over:
I’d love to hear from folks who’ve done a Roth conversion – either all at once or in stages over time. Was it worth it in hindsight? Anything you wish you had done differently?
When converting, IRMAA limits are certainly one thing to consider when deciding how much to convert within a given tax year. I may have missed it here and elsewhere, but I don’t recall anyone mentioning the potential for the 3.8% NIIT kicking in at higher MAGI levels, $250,000 if MFJ for example. Am I incorrect that the NIIT would apply here should your conversions cause your total income hits the cliff?
My understanding is income from qualified plan distributions, including Roth conversions from a traditional IRA (which are taxed like plan distributions) are not subject to the NIIT. However, conversion income does count as part of your overall taxable income in determining if you are above the NIIT threshold ($250K MFJ, $200K single, $125K MFS). Also note that under current law the NIIT threshold amounts are not adjusted for inflation. So a Roth conversion can result in you being subject to the NIIT if you have other income of the type subject to NIIT (interest, dividends, etc.) and your Roth conversion pushes your AGI above the threshold amount for your filing status, but the actual Roth conversion income is not subject to the NIIT.
See Part III of IRS form 8960 and the related instructions for more detail.
I hope this helps.
Best, Bill
Thank you, Bill and Michael, for your responses. Indeed, the either/or/and scenario of the NIIT threshold for total income and realized investment earnings makes this interesting. It’s somewhat like watching out for the IRMAA limits two years out. We can estimate what they might be but as you mention, Michael, best to stay a few feet back from the edge even using this years current limits as a “worst case” scenario. Have a great day!
My earlier quick confirmation was all I had time for. I should have just waited for Bill to give this thorough answer.
Here’s an additional thought. Unless you’re really confident in what your total MAGI is going to be, an alternative is to target just under $230k, the 2024 income limit to be able to contribute to a Roth (married filing jointly). This way, if you’re a bit off and end up with higher MAGI than expected, you haven’t impacted NIIT. If you’re correct and see after completing your return that you stayed under $230k, you can still make a Roth contribution(s), assuming you had earned income.