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We have a more than sufficient income. Our income is not dependent on withdrawals or the stock market. Our net worth is more than adequate. By standard measures we are into the 90th percentile for any age. So why do I still worry about money?
I have done some research and I’m convinced it’s all psychological, past experiences and unjustified fear playing with my mind. Maybe yours too.
For many people, money isn’t just a tool — it’s a symbol of safety and control. Even with millions in net worth, the mind can still whisper, “What if it all goes away?” Yup, could it all go away? Highly unlikely.
That fear comes from a deep human need for stability and predictability. When someone’s sense of safety is tied to their wealth, any uncertainty — market drops, medical risks, political change — triggers anxiety out of proportion to the actual threat.
It appears growing up in a family where money was scarce can create a lifelong scarcity mindset. Even after achieving financial security, the brain may not update — it still anticipates crisis.
I did not grow up poor, I never missed a good meal. On the other hand, my father worked on commissions- no sales, no pay. My parents never could afford a house on their own. They didn’t own a car when I was growing up. There were no investments and retirement income was Social Security alone. That was always on my mind during my working years.
When I told them we bought a house on Cape Cod, there was no reaction at all except wanting to know if we were moving. Should I have felt guilty?
Money often becomes tied to who we are, not just what we have. For some, success and self-esteem are inseparable from financial status. This creates a psychological trap: if wealth slips, self-worth feels threatened too. I must acknowledge some of that. I didn’t want to be my parents when it came to finances. I didn’t and still don’t want to be average for any reason. Even in the army being the average guy marching, doing KP, etc. was a challenge so I found a way to work for a colonel as his Personnel Sergeant in battalion headquarters.
Those who achieve financial success often did so through control, discipline, and planning. “If I’m not constantly monitoring, something will go wrong.”
This mindset keeps them in a low-grade state of financial anxiety even when they’re objectively fine. Guilty again.
Wealth creates expectations — for comfort, reputation, family support, lifestyle.
The thought of losing any of it can feel like a threat to belonging, dignity, or identity. This is worrying about losses that haven’t happened, as a way to feel in control of them. And, of course, “wealth” is relative.
Money anxiety often masks other fears — aging, mortality, purpose, relationships. I suspect this is more prominent among retirees and certainly among we octogenarians.
So, if you are among the many who worry about money matters – perhaps needlessly- welcome to the club. I don’t have advice for a cure if there is one, but at least you may learn why. Supposedly, around 70–80% of adults in the U.S. report feeling stressed about money at least sometimes – often when not justified.
I can relate to some of what you wrote, Dick. The past 18 mos or so I have had more anxiety about our finances than I had for awhile. We have pretty much come out on the other side now and I am seeing that we will be ok financially. We had to play catch up from our younger years. Chris
I don’t. Perhaps it is because of my life’s experiences and mental conditioning. I think we can manage this. Furthermore, my serious health condition provides a different perspective. When treatment began in 2023 I had a concern that it could seriously deplete my savings. But I had a plan in place. For a couple of decades, I’ve been aware of the inevitable. Similar to that next stock market bust.
Yes, I was upset when the Dot-Com bust occurred but I was a newbie to investing. Then there was the banking fiasco in 2007. I had concluded that any crashes might necessitate my working longer. However, I adapted in 2000 and I’ve been prepared for these types of breakdowns ever since. There are choices to be made and so be it.
A 50% market downturn wouldn’t be fun, particularly if it is followed by stagnation and a lost decade. There would be a lot of anger and blame on the internet. People are sour enough as it is, while the S&P 500 is setting records. But I don’t worry about it. We may be our own worst enemies.
People are more resilient than they realize, if they give themselves a chance and trust in the process. I mean, we each do have a process, don’t we? I think time, mental energy and money are better spent on making informed decisions than cleaning up messes, or beating oneself up when the inevitable does occur. For that reason, I continue to budget, although there is no burning necessity to do so. I’ve streamlined my categories and automated much of this. I use credit cards and import the data each month into Quicken.
I create a distinction to differentiate interruption from disruption. Interruptions while undesirable are perfectly normal and easily dealt with.
That said, there are some pitfalls to avoid, so as to avoid disruption. Purchasing based on cash flow is one. One might rationalize “I can afford that $65,000 automobile because I can afford the payments”. That type of thinking may be a trap and debt is a pitfall. Gambling and sports betting is another. I’m not sure there really is “good debt.” Examples of questionable debt include college loans, too. A lot of people buy more house than they need. Then they discover the true cost of ownership, and it isn’t pleasant for them. Everything breaks. “It shouldn’t be like this”, some will complain. I’ve concluded that “Instant gratification” quickly morphs into “lasting pain”.
A life of moderation is helpful, but I read of families with two incomes of $200,000 annually that can’t make ends meet. Clearly, “moderation” is a subjective term. If we choose to live our life as a Nike commercial “Just do it” then we shouldn’t be shocked when reality intervenes.
“I deserve it” or “I earned it” are justifications for what may be poor decisions, sometimes followed by remorse. In a society driven by the consumer we are told there never, ever is “enough.” I do think it is important to manage that “enough” conversation.
My budget includes a plan and fund for replacement of major appliances, a car every 15 years and so on. One could say this is unnecessary and a sign of worry. It isn’t. What it is, is a sign of preparedness. If the car needs replacement early, no big deal. Oh, I’ll be disappointed. But I do practice “preventative maintenance” so when it is time, I know I did what was necessary and appropriate to extend the life of the vehicle to get full use. I do track the annual maintenance costs and when they rise that may be an indicator of age and pending failure. This was what occurred with my 19 year old Chevy Malibu. I decided it was time to donate it. Certain maintenance is ongoing and expected; oil changes, tires are to be replaced within 6 years no matter the mileage, and so too the battery. Brakes, etc. That’s the best I can do.
During a recent 7,200 mile trek I became aware of an issue and concluded that a front wheel bearing on the Roadtrek was failing at 70,000 on the odometer. I found a mechanic recommended by the campground owner and it was formally diagnosed and quickly replaced. Moog quality parts were used. (That brand was optional). It was a minor interruption on that trip and we continued on our way. I’d forgotten about this, until I wrote this comment. The point is, I prefer not to dwell on these things. Move on, enjoy it when things work, be prepared for the next breakdown and then deal with it.
When my illness was diagnosed it became apparent that living full-time in an RV was no longer going to be workable. After I was released from the hospital we lived in an ADA compliant motel room while we looked for a suitable house. I really disliked spending $thousands on that motel room. However, this accelerated our search. The house we purchased was, according to the seller, a “designer dream”. Antique silver and turquoise walls, non-functioning reverse osmosis unit and water softener, 5 year old filter in the icemaker, a hot water heater visibly at end of life, a slowly sinking “Arizona room” and a mesquite tree in serious need of maintenance and trimming. There were, of course, no discounts to fix these things. I mentally made my estimates including hiring a pro to paint over the glaring walls and concluded we were looking at an additional $35,000. Then there was furniture to buy (large RVs are completely furnished). Then there were my medical expenses. In 2023 we drove 4,000 miles to and from doctors and hospitals. Cha-Ching!
I liquidated a portion of my Roth IRA. It had been my intention to tap it last, but I did what was necessary and never gave it another thought.
I created a spreadsheet to track these costs, not for decision making but to be financially aware. After doing all of these things, I checked my finances and concluded we were doing ok.
Since 2006 I’ve had a plan of how to deal with significant personal financial shocks. I know my discretionary spending and I can reduce costs almost immediately if that became necessary. That type of resilience is very helpful.
It is also helpful to have reasonable expectations. My financial plan is built upon this. Jeff Bezos has different expectations than I do.
I anticipate a sizeable market correction. The odds indicate it will happen. Eventually, but sooner than many would prefer.
As we age there is something called “survivor bias” that we may experience. This is a cognitive bias in which successes tend to take prominence in our minds rather than failures. However, the flip side is also true, and some focus on failure. There is a middle ground in which we realize and accept the totality of successes and failures. I find that to be a comfortable place to be.
Once you are fortunate to have a couple of million or three, your financial pool of assets are kind of like a complex machine. You need to do maintenance. When you see your pooch gnawing on a nice bone, you might comment something about the dog really worrying that bone. Likewise, your pot of assets needs some attention on a fairly regular basis. The tax code is not simple. Even if you are not thinking about the ups and downs of the market, there is a lot of other stuff going on that demands attention. Before you qualify for Medicare at 65, you are dealing with the insurance exchange and trying to manage your income. Once you are on Medicare, you are thinking about IRMAA. Where do I store my emergency fund to get the best return? There is really no end to it…..At 79, the market could drop by 50% and I would still have enough to see me through to the end, so I don’t worry about running out…..but there are many other details to “worry” about.
Excellent article. Thank you. This is me to a T – “It appears growing up in a family where money was scarce can create a lifelong scarcity mindset. Even after achieving financial security, the brain may not update — it still anticipates crisis.” However, I am working on it 🙂
I went to a good friend’s funeral last Friday. I have friends dealing with blindness and dementia. My best friend passed away three years ago, and her husband is now coping with complex medical issues. So, do I worry about money? For sure, NO
I know my husband and I won’t be in decent health forever, and I’m not going to waste whatever time we have stressing about money.
You are so right. I learned that all too well yesterday when I drove Connie to our local cancer center and they urged her to begin chemotherapy. I would give up everything to change that.
Very sorry to hear this Dick. Wish you both the best.
Dick, I am so sorry. I will also offer prayers for Connie, you and your family. I am a cancer survivor who has been through hard chemo, and will pray God will hold you all in His hands. Chris
I’m very sorry to hear that. I wish the best and will offer my prayers.
I’m very sorry,
So sorry for you both. Best of luck.
We have more than enough as well but I can relate to some worry. I have always been frugal and wise regarding spending and it has been tough to flip to a free spender with ample funds. I did enjoy the Die with Nothing book and try to take points to heart. I also believe that the antidote to being overly frugal is to give more away – generosity. However given the sweeping changes in our society and things happening that I would have never believed before, I seriously occasionally worry that the security I feel from having wealth could be pulled out from under me in some strange unforeseen chain of events. We have all the protections in place but there is still a bit of underlying anxiety.
Kari: What are you referring when you stated, “However given the sweeping changes in our society and things happening that I would have never believed before.”
Good points.
G’day Dick, thanks for your very open and honest piece.
I really feel for you. The dream is that we work hard, save, invest then retire to a carefree life. Such a shame that you’re not getting the “carefree” part of it.
I’m sure that you’re not alone. And ironically there would be people with far less financial resources who feel much more at ease. It would be nice if there was a simple answer.
For me, having a financial planner is helpful. Just having her say “Yep, you guys are fine, retirement won’t be a problem” is very reassuring. I can calculate my own projections until the cows come home, but it’s good to get an independent, professional view.
My self worth was never determined by my job,
and if my wealth slips, my self-worth does not feel threatened either. I am more than these two factors; ie father, husband etc.
I honestly have to say I don’t worry about money. I know I have “enough.” I think not having the pressure of worrying about healthcare costs is foundational to this. It really makes financial planning so much easier. The bottom line is I could go “all to cash” and have a reasonable standard of living, but that’s a result of having a low-cost lifestyle in one of the lowest cost regions of the UK. Our biggest personal fixed cost is property tax, and that’s $3,500.00 in total for two properties.
I know I have enough, but I still worry.
The property taxes on our condo are $13,900 a year. Our home owners association (HOA) monthly fee is $950
Our health care premiums for two are about $2,000 a month and going up.
Our property and auto insurance premiums total $656 a month.
Welcome to the US and New Jersey.
Ouch. Those are killer taxes and fees.
Are you claiming the $6500 property tax rebate? That’s something we’ll be signing up for as soon as my wife turns 65. Our property tax is $13,887 at the moment.
https://www.nj.gov/treasury/taxation/staynj/index.shtml
I sent in the application, but since payment is subject to budget constraints i have little hope it will be paid next year.
That is certainly a significant amount of money. I’d worry about money if I had fixed costs that high. If I add home and auto insurance plus private dental care, our total fixed costs including property tax are about $5,500 per year.
And that’s not all.
Would be interested in the comparable number for people stressed about money in the Scandinavian and some other European countries. Nothing like a good safety net to relieve anxiety.
According to Debt.org “Medical bills and loss of job or income are consistently the top reasons people give for why they file for bankruptcy. In a survey by the Consumer Bankruptcy Project, 78% cited a decline in income as a reason for their bankruptcy, and 65% cited medical issues, both the cost of the bills, as well as missing work because of medical issues. The Kaiser Family Foundation found that 41% of U.S. residents have some sort of medical debt, including on credit cards or owed to a family member; 24% were considering bankruptcy to solve a medical debt issue.” No comment about why the ACA did not solve this problem.
Right, in those countries high taxes are accepted because they see the value they receive in return no doubt exceptions, but they don’t want to lose what they have, including less day to day money stress for important services.