I am very content living on monthly RMD payments from my 403b. I am 74, retired for 8 years, have no pension but waited until 70 to draw socsec.
1silverloon
2 months ago
It really depends on what you need. Spouse and I crunched the numbers and decided to take the annuity. Having a guaranteed income floor is assuring.
Barbara Arendt
2 months ago
I am going back and forth. I am currently 58 and wanting to retire before FRA. The long term annuity option offers continuity in payments, not a great return (but they’re not known for that, right?) However, if I take an immediate annuity, it might satify both worlds – security and increased time for the retirement accounts to grow – without having to deal with the self provoked stress of managing withdrawal schedules, buckets, and so forth for a bit longer.
Dan Wick
2 months ago
I took the pension as it exceeded any annuity I could have obtained on my own. This year has made me feel good about my choice. With Social Security and the pension, my base spending is more than covered.
I took my two pensions(GE and company who purchased after). Both insured, PBGC, wanted that security every month. Some of my co workers took lump sums working with their advisors. Im now waiting to collect SSI.
Rob Thompson
1 year ago
Wow…give me the money! If I needed to do it hands off I’d just put 100% in VWINX or VWENX or a combination of the two and not even think about it again. But trusting my former company, the PBGC, or some manager that ends up slicing it into 15-20 funds when I can’t pay attention anymore? No thanks.
Michael1
1 year ago
Another “it depends” is whether you have a significant portion of assets in taxable accounts. If so, taking the lump sum and thereby minimizing taxable income could enable taking long term capital gains at the zero percent federal tax rate. If most of your assets are in retirement accounts, not a significant consideration.
BenefitJack
1 year ago
It depends. Do you already have more than adequate, guaranteed, inflation-indexed retirement income, say from a prior employer’s plan, a spouse’s employer’s plan, Social Security, etc.
It depends. Have you accumulated more than $5,000 in your employer sponsored plan? If so, there is a third choice, leave the money in the plan until normal retirement or the required beginning date / leverage fiduciary /bankruptcy protections.
it depends. Are you age 55 and separated from that employer, or age 59 1/2 or older? Are you planning to relocate? Are you going to have a period without any other income? Pay attention to taxes.
It depends? Would it make more cents, remember, it’s not what you get that counts, but what you get to keep after taxes, to lump sum, rollover and time ad-hoc payments from an IRA. Pay attention to taxes.
It depends. Did you compare the annuity in the plan with a rollover and annuity purchase via an IRA? Because the plan has to use unisex mortality, some might do better with sex distinct pricing. And, as interest rates rise, (I guess that is “if” and “when” the plan may be slower to react.
It depends. Did you compare the option of installment payments (either from the plan where permitted, or via an IRA after rollover), coupled with a qualified longevity annuity contract?
I could go on but here’s the last It depends. Did you consider using the money as needed to “buy” an added Social Security benefit – guaranteed, inflation indexed, retirement income? One positive about this option is that you can always change your mind before age 70 and start the SS benefit.
Ginger Williams
1 year ago
I’ll take the pension since my employer’s plan is fairly well funded. The prospect of cognitive decline makes that regular monthly deposit a comfort. I’m less concerned about maximizing wealth than about making it hard for people to scam older me and easier for me live without financial worries
David Draeger
1 year ago
Should this not be a strict financial decision? In my situation the monthly payout vs. the lump sum is not difficult decision. A calculation of the lump sum invested at an annual return of 5%, vs the monthly payment show I would need to live until I am 99 to break even. I understand the “comfort” of a monthly payment but this might not be in your best interest.
Lynne
1 year ago
I had to make this decision recently, and went with monthly pension payments, starting soon. I like knowing that pension and social security, when I take it at 70, should cover my monthly bills. And very importantly to me, I have a family history of Alzheimer’s and fear cognitive decline. I’d rather have money coming in each month from pension and SS, and going out each month to pay bills than have a much larger portfolio I might mismanage or be scammed out of. Finally, my former company tried to make the lump sum sound enticing, and said once I made a decision, I’d never have the lump-sum option again. Then they sold the pension plan to an insurance company They offered me the lump-sum option again. If the lump-sum was to their advantage, I figured the opposite, a pension, is better for me.
I’m with you on preferring a pension that covers my monthly living expenses versus a larger nest egg. At some point I realized that money isn’t everything. Rather, security for me was much more important. I’ll be fortunate to have three pensions plus social security when I retire.
I think you’re right to be suspicious: Companies wouldn’t push the lump sum option so hard if it weren’t a good deal — for them.
Rick Connor
1 year ago
For the majority of people I think monthly pension payments is the way to go. It’s a complicated decision, but most pension administrators are better equipped to mange the investments and risk than the average citizen. I’ve had a chance to review three different pensions (large aerospace company, large insurance company, and national trade union) and each computed the lump sum in very different ways, You need to really understand the details before deciding.
R Quinn
1 year ago
With one exception, that’s a resounding take monthly pension payments.
That exception is if the plan sponsor has underfunded the pension plan or if the sponsor is not a fiscally sound organization. However, even then in 2021 at age 65 the PBGC will guarantee up to $6,034.09 per month for a single benefit and $5,430.68 per month for a 50% J&S pension.
While a large cash payment is enticing and many people use the logic that if they die early someone will always get the remaining money, I think the security of a regular monthly income far outweighs that for the vast majority of retirees.
Look at the debates about withdrawal rates, how much you need to retire, setting budgets and all that goes with managing a lump sum. To me it’s very clear that most people will be better off with a steady income over the risk and stress of managing a portfolio and all that goes with it.
When I was negotiating pension benefits the unions were strongly opposed to lump sum options because they knew what could happen if misused and they had experience with that in other employer plans.
If you want to leave cash to others buy life insurance or have non-retirement investments in addition to your pension.
I am very content living on monthly RMD payments from my 403b. I am 74, retired for 8 years, have no pension but waited until 70 to draw socsec.
It really depends on what you need. Spouse and I crunched the numbers and decided to take the annuity. Having a guaranteed income floor is assuring.
I am going back and forth. I am currently 58 and wanting to retire before FRA. The long term annuity option offers continuity in payments, not a great return (but they’re not known for that, right?) However, if I take an immediate annuity, it might satify both worlds – security and increased time for the retirement accounts to grow – without having to deal with the self provoked stress of managing withdrawal schedules, buckets, and so forth for a bit longer.
I took the pension as it exceeded any annuity I could have obtained on my own. This year has made me feel good about my choice. With Social Security and the pension, my base spending is more than covered.
This just came out:
https://ofdollarsanddata.com/why-you-might-want-to-retire-soon-if-you-have-a-pension/
I took my two pensions(GE and company who purchased after). Both insured, PBGC, wanted that security every month. Some of my co workers took lump sums working with their advisors. Im now waiting to collect SSI.
Wow…give me the money! If I needed to do it hands off I’d just put 100% in VWINX or VWENX or a combination of the two and not even think about it again. But trusting my former company, the PBGC, or some manager that ends up slicing it into 15-20 funds when I can’t pay attention anymore? No thanks.
Another “it depends” is whether you have a significant portion of assets in taxable accounts. If so, taking the lump sum and thereby minimizing taxable income could enable taking long term capital gains at the zero percent federal tax rate. If most of your assets are in retirement accounts, not a significant consideration.
It depends. Do you already have more than adequate, guaranteed, inflation-indexed retirement income, say from a prior employer’s plan, a spouse’s employer’s plan, Social Security, etc.
It depends. Have you accumulated more than $5,000 in your employer sponsored plan? If so, there is a third choice, leave the money in the plan until normal retirement or the required beginning date / leverage fiduciary /bankruptcy protections.
it depends. Are you age 55 and separated from that employer, or age 59 1/2 or older? Are you planning to relocate? Are you going to have a period without any other income? Pay attention to taxes.
It depends? Would it make more cents, remember, it’s not what you get that counts, but what you get to keep after taxes, to lump sum, rollover and time ad-hoc payments from an IRA. Pay attention to taxes.
It depends. Did you compare the annuity in the plan with a rollover and annuity purchase via an IRA? Because the plan has to use unisex mortality, some might do better with sex distinct pricing. And, as interest rates rise, (I guess that is “if” and “when” the plan may be slower to react.
It depends. Did you compare the option of installment payments (either from the plan where permitted, or via an IRA after rollover), coupled with a qualified longevity annuity contract?
I could go on but here’s the last It depends. Did you consider using the money as needed to “buy” an added Social Security benefit – guaranteed, inflation indexed, retirement income? One positive about this option is that you can always change your mind before age 70 and start the SS benefit.
I’ll take the pension since my employer’s plan is fairly well funded. The prospect of cognitive decline makes that regular monthly deposit a comfort. I’m less concerned about maximizing wealth than about making it hard for people to scam older me and easier for me live without financial worries
Should this not be a strict financial decision? In my situation the monthly payout vs. the lump sum is not difficult decision. A calculation of the lump sum invested at an annual return of 5%, vs the monthly payment show I would need to live until I am 99 to break even. I understand the “comfort” of a monthly payment but this might not be in your best interest.
I had to make this decision recently, and went with monthly pension payments, starting soon. I like knowing that pension and social security, when I take it at 70, should cover my monthly bills. And very importantly to me, I have a family history of Alzheimer’s and fear cognitive decline. I’d rather have money coming in each month from pension and SS, and going out each month to pay bills than have a much larger portfolio I might mismanage or be scammed out of. Finally, my former company tried to make the lump sum sound enticing, and said once I made a decision, I’d never have the lump-sum option again. Then they sold the pension plan to an insurance company They offered me the lump-sum option again. If the lump-sum was to their advantage, I figured the opposite, a pension, is better for me.
I’m with you on preferring a pension that covers my monthly living expenses versus a larger nest egg. At some point I realized that money isn’t everything. Rather, security for me was much more important. I’ll be fortunate to have three pensions plus social security when I retire.
I think you’re right to be suspicious: Companies wouldn’t push the lump sum option so hard if it weren’t a good deal — for them.
For the majority of people I think monthly pension payments is the way to go. It’s a complicated decision, but most pension administrators are better equipped to mange the investments and risk than the average citizen. I’ve had a chance to review three different pensions (large aerospace company, large insurance company, and national trade union) and each computed the lump sum in very different ways, You need to really understand the details before deciding.
With one exception, that’s a resounding take monthly pension payments.
That exception is if the plan sponsor has underfunded the pension plan or if the sponsor is not a fiscally sound organization. However, even then in 2021 at age 65 the PBGC will guarantee up to $6,034.09 per month for a single benefit and $5,430.68 per month for a 50% J&S pension.
While a large cash payment is enticing and many people use the logic that if they die early someone will always get the remaining money, I think the security of a regular monthly income far outweighs that for the vast majority of retirees.
Look at the debates about withdrawal rates, how much you need to retire, setting budgets and all that goes with managing a lump sum. To me it’s very clear that most people will be better off with a steady income over the risk and stress of managing a portfolio and all that goes with it.
When I was negotiating pension benefits the unions were strongly opposed to lump sum options because they knew what could happen if misused and they had experience with that in other employer plans.
If you want to leave cash to others buy life insurance or have non-retirement investments in addition to your pension.