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My wife and I both feel very happy and proud today – our daughter reached her first major financial goal by buying a car and driving it home this morning.
This may not sound like a big deal, especially for a working lady in her late 20s. To us, it is.
It’s not about the physical possession of a material item. It’s a result of patience, discipline, and a few financial habits that we insisted on early.
I used to worry about my (step)daughter after she completed her in-state undergrad and took a gap year to figure out the right career path. Being the youngest in a close-knit group of childhood friends who had already been working for a few years – some in highly paid professions – she wanted to start working right away to join the fun of living independent life.
At the same time, it became clear that she needed additional education to improve both her long-term career prospect and professional interests. By the time she completed those to enter the workforce about two years ago, she already felt behind.
We gave her the option of living with us for a few years, provided she met certain requirements. I had a vested interest in this arrangement: helping her develop a few simple but powerful financial habits and avoid some of the rookie mistakes many of us make with money.
Living at home would require her to contribute maximum annual limits in her employer 401(k). In addition, the money she’d otherwise spend on basic living costs- rent, utilities, food at home and so on- must be saved and invested in a separate account. That fund could only be used for “approved” expenses towards meaningful financial goals– think home down payments, future car purchase and so on.
She took us up on the offer and has been living with us ever since.
We set up an automated investment plan to transfer a set amount from her salary account to a brokerage account and invest in low-cost, diversified ETFs.
After a few initial hiccups, she realized that after taxes, all the “pay-yourself-first” deductions, and her other expenses like gas and phone bills, there isn’t much left for frivolous spending. It took a couple of months to get used to the reverse-budget arrangement and adjust her spending accordingly.
I could tell that she felt constrained at first, but thankfully she adapted quickly to the realities of life without eye-popping salary.
Fast forward two years, and her investment account has grown to a meaningful size, thanks to the tailwind of strong investment returns.
I decided it was time to encourage her to make a major capital purchase from this fund – not only to keep herself motivated, but also to give her something tangible to show for her financial discipline.
The question was: what?
Up to this point, she had been driving our 2003 Honda Odessey and paying for the gas and maintenance. The car is remarkably reliable but lacks most modern features.
When she first started working, she wanted to buy a newer car with a loan. After receiving my routine lecture: “If you can’t buy the car outright and need a loan, you probably can’t afford it” – she gave up on the idea.
Now, with the size of her investment account, she could comfortably buy a low-mileage used car with cash and still afford the additional insurance and ownership costs. She was excited to explore the possibility.
After discussing a reasonable “out-the-door” (OTD) budget, preferred car model and trim, maximum mileage and vehicle age, we began researching used cars
I was surprised by how much prices had risen since last time I went through this process to replace our own cars. She had to adjust the criteria to stay within the OTD budget. Eventually, we shortlisted a few vehicles that met her requirements without stretching her finances.
Last Monday, we set out to go car hunting.
Our first stop was the closest dealer with a good inventory and fair prices. My daughter test drove two different cars and liked the second one.
To avoid a lengthy negotiation with an experienced dealer, we simply stated our maximum out-of-door price upfront and told them that we’d buy immediately if the numbers worked.
Thankfully, the dealer came down substantially without haggling much. From our extensive online research, my daughter and I both felt that the discounted price was reasonable. On top of that, the dealer also included a few extras, such as a couple of complimentary oil services. Overall, the deal looked good-enough.
After reviewing the CarFax report and service records, and examining the vehicle inside out one more time, my daughter signed the paperwork and left a deposit to get the ball rolling.
Today was pickup day.
This time, my wife joined us to be part of the excitement. We all went to the dealership together.
An hour later, my daughter proudly walked to her “new” car and drove it home. She had earned every mile of that drive – and every mile yet to come.
We are considering lucky and bless. Both of our kids moved out of the house after high school for college and never move back. Although we paid for everything, we still feel that they are responsible and dependable. I told my spouse as long as they are working and not doing anything extremely out of order, we are blessed. I funded both ROTH retirement and it would be best investment considering the stock market in the last 10 years. We are non-religious, just live a responsible life, we both work for last 40 years, the kids just look at us and live a normal life. We help them to purchase the house in last year, and now we are going to retire in two weeks, right before July 4th.
Hung,
Sounds like the American dream is still alive.
Good for you.
I think any young person with good financial habits will soon get “hooked”, once they see their assets start to grow over time. Then they will no longer require incentives or nudging from their parents. She sounds like a smart daughter with very wise parents.
Living at home would require her to contribute maximum annual limits in her employer 401(k).
Brilliant!
And I like that she is investing in low-cost, index? ETFs.
On her next raise, I would recommend splitting a portion of her 401k contributions in a Roth 401K (if her work offers it) or a portion of her brokerage account in a Roth IRA.
Thank you so much, Cheryl.
Her non-401(K) (brokerage, ROTH and T-IRAs) have three ETFs for US Total Market, ex-US Intl Market and Short-term Treasury (for emergency + sinking fund).
As for ROTH, she already has a reasonable amount there. I had her open it when she was in high school and took a parttime work at local Starbucks. At that time, she didn’t understand much about investments or account types, so I had to give step-by-step instructions that she blindly followed. (I explained those things later when she was in college). Rest of the fund came from her work during the gap-year. Together, the IRAs are of decent size as of now, especially after the rollover of her gap-year’s 401(k) employer account. That’s why we haven’t talked much about the tax-optimization aspects of her money and keeping things simple for now. Thanks for the suggestion about splitting 401(K) into ROTH vs pre-tax. I’ll bring that up in an opportune time in the future.
Glad to hear she has a Roth with a reasonable amount. I’m bringing this up since, with your excellent guidance, she will have a sizeable portfolio in her 401K/T-IRA. Many of us baby boomers didn’t have Roth accounts available, so when they did become available it was difficult to contribute to a Roth account AND covert T-IRA to a Roth IRA. As result, we have the (nice) problem of having to take RMDs from our T-IRA. This can be quite the balancing act at tax time since so many thresholds are based on AGI.
Roth IRAs have the advantage that you can take out your contributions at any time, no tax/penalty on withdrawal after 591/2, and no required minimum distributions. Total flexibility in retirement.
Thank you :).
Sanjib, it is good to see you here, always enjoy your contributions. This was a great post and gives a lot of practical advice for folks in the same stage of life with their kids. Chris
Thank you for your kind words, Chris. I’m happy that this arrangement has worked out so far for all of us.
Thanks for sharing this story Sanjib. Your daughter won today, and is on her way to a winning lifetime relationship with money.
Thanks, Edmund. Michael made me realize that it’s actually a win for all of us.
I agree!
Sanjib, congratulations, a masterclass in firm parenting, with consent. The results speak for themselves. My daughters are free spirits who would never have agreed to restrictions on their financial autonomy, so we had to be more creative. When our eldest moved back home for eight years after finishing her education and starting work, we struck a deal: she paid “rent” — though unbeknown to her, we were investing every penny on her behalf. Our youngest has been more of a sporadic boomeranger, but the same arrangement applies: “rent” converted to savings for her future.
Thanks, Mark. Great to hear that you had somewhat similar arrangements as well. I was initially thinking about this approach but then realized that the amount might become quite large eventually and make it harder to give her back. Additionally, I was worried about any tax implications. That’s why I kept it simple. I wasn’t sure if it’d work, but my daughter made me the authorized user of her brokerage account so I can see her recurring transfer/auto-investment trades.
We did something similar with our son. He quit, much to our chagrin, attending a local technical school, while living at home, with one semester to go to finish his associates degree. He obtained a minimum wage job while living at home. He had been given one of our old cars a few years earlier and was told he was responsible for its expenses, and for paying his school loans. We also charged him a low rent. We figured it would be a valuable education as to how far his earnings would go in the real world. Unbeknownst to him we were saving this money for him. When he moved to Delaware with his eventual wife so she could attend PA school, he decided to complete a Bachelors degree. As he headed off we told him we were using mostly his funds to pay off his old school loans. We figured that way he would not have an increasing balance on his old school loans while he was continuing his education. This experiment worked out well for all.
Thanks for sharing your story, David.
There’s more than one win in there to celebrate. Well done all of you.
Thank you, Michael.