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Quinn doesn’t think like a average retiree, I bet you don’t either. Beware the experts

How much should we rely on studies, surveys, academically-generated tools and guides? I’m not sure, but they are used by policy makers so I guess we should pay attention. 

However, that doesn’t mean they are meaningful in personal retirement planning- that is unless you are average or typical. I’m guessing HD readers know that, but just I case. 

Consider the Elder Index from the University of Massachusetts. According to their website:

“The Elder Index can be a powerful tool for state and local advocates and aging service providers to educate policymakers, donors, and funders about the economic realities that older adults face.The Elder Index tool shows how much income older adults need to meet their basic needs and age in place with dignity.”

Really? There are a number of assumptions in that index that many retirees would not find acceptable or practical-including possibly you and definitely me and likely every retiree on the north side of average.  I didn’t retire with the goal of meeting basic needs only. 

The index says Miscellaneous spending (couple/no mortgage) is $ 527 per month but does not allow for recreation, entertainment, gifts, or savings. Is that how a retiree wants to live? 

Health care is estimated at $940 a month for a couple 65 plus in “good health” and includes Medicare and supplemental premiums and out of pocket costs. 

For very average retirees, the Medicare B and D premium plus Medigap coverage will be at least $840. Yes, there are tremendous variables. Even modest use of prescription drugs could easily exceed the $940 total. Of course, IRMAA presents a very different picture, but of course they are not average retirees. 

For my county in NJ the Index says a couple with a house, no mortgage and good health needs a gross income of $50,124-132% above the national average of $37,944. 

With the median home value in Essex County at $335,900, the typical annual property tax bill reaches $11,297. That’s typical, but what does that mean? 

Let’s assume that all taxes from the $50,124 equal only 10% leaving net income of $45,111. Subtract their typical property taxes and spendable income is $33,000.  Living in one of the highest cost counties in a high cost state, a family income at that level is indeed very basic. NJ defines poverty level for two people as $20,440. 

The town where we lived has a average property tax of $13,258 with neighboring towns at $24,947, $22,605 and $21,415. 

So, keep up the good work with your retirement planning based on what is right for you, spreadsheets and all. Be especially careful with those assumptions. The chances are you are not and don’t care to typically average. 🤑

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bbbobbins
1 year ago

I’m not sure I see a big problem. The point of studies that provide average data points is that they reflect almost precisely no-one’s specific personal circumstances.

They simply act as a reference point that leaves it to individuals to weight how much they may differ from norms.

I, for one, find various studies helpful. I know what I spend now but I’ve no idea what I will spend ( in today’s $) at 70,75,80,85. Data which reflects the slow/no go and the cororally of increased medical/care costs is valuable to everyone in planning their own journey.

mytimetotravel
1 year ago

I took a look at the number for my county for a single home owner with no mortgage. Then I looked at my actual expenses (from Quicken) for the first six months of 2022. They were headed for twice as much, and I was not living extravagantly.

BTW, my property taxes were around $3,000/year.

Chris (baldscreen)
1 year ago

Thanks for this, Dick. I tried the Index for the county we live in. I did think the housing was a little outdated as property taxes have gone up a lot in the last couple of years, as have utilities. The food part was just for groceries and it was close to what we spend. I wonder if the transportation was for 2 cars? I thought it gave some good basic numbers, but not a lot of extras, like you said. Chris

W.D. Housley
1 year ago