I RECENTLY HAD a revelation about my adult children: When it comes to money, they’re a lot like me—and that’s both a good thing and a bad thing.
I had this revelation while dining with my 25-year-old son at a sports bar over the New Year’s holiday. The food was marginal—it was a sports bar, after all—but the plates came loaded with food. What’s more, the prices were quite reasonable, especially compared to those in Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., where Liam spends the bulk of his time these days.
All of this made him quite happy. He has, he told me, three criteria for what constitutes value while eating out. The quantity of food comes first. Second is whether the cost is reasonable. The quality of the cuisine comes last on his list.
In other words, he could get outstanding food, but it would fail his value test if he didn’t get enough of it. His meal would really be a loser, value wise, if that superb-but-stingy dish also cost too much.
Now, let it be said that Liam is currently a law student and has no money. It could be that his criteria will change when he’s a bigshot lawyer earning lots of money, and can afford the best chefs and restaurants in the land.
But I doubt financial success will change his mindset. Why? Because he’s my son, and his frugal, value-based way of looking at money happens to come from me.
I’ve always been conservative about finances. It’s something I learned early on from my thrifty parents, who never made much money but were somehow able to make ends meet for a hungry family of eight.
Through my folks, I learned the importance of working hard, living simply and below your means, paying the bills on time, being exceedingly careful about debt, and socking away every dollar you can for a time when you might need it. While these time-honored principles will never land me on a list of the world’s richest people, I have been able to achieve a modicum of financial independence here in my early 60s.
All that’s good, I think. And I’m happy to say that my financial conservatism has been passed onto my three adult sons, who are quite responsible with their finances.
But there’s a point where frugality and penny-pinching become excessive, and I fear I’ve spent too many years of my adult life in that realm. It’s the part of me that has hesitated to take a fancy vacation because it will set me back $5,000. Or passing on a chance to have a prime rib dinner at a three-star Michelin restaurant and opting instead for a BYOB hole-in-the-wall because it will save me a hundred bucks.
I know where our familial tendency toward excessive thriftiness comes from. Parsimony is in our blood, passed down over the generations through the Scottish lineage on my father’s side. We Kerrs do not like spending money, and we hate wasting it even more. Maximizing the value we get from our hard-earned dollars is all-important to a Scot, a mission to which we devote every ounce of our analytical minds.
I saw this with my father, who was forever bargaining with people while making purchases, as if all the world was an auction and he the sole bidder. He threw nothing away, no matter how old and obsolete it was, on the remote chance it could come in handy in the future. He was determined to squeeze every ounce of value from the things he paid for. I remember sitting in the car as he pumped gas and seeing him lift the hose at the end to get every last drop into the tank.
I don’t go that far with my gas, and I’m also not a hoarder, preferring to keep my surroundings simple and free of clutter. Still, now that I’m older, I realize that for too many years I’ve focused too much on shaving costs and saving money over seeking experiences.
I mean, what good is money if we don’t spend it on all the wonderful things this world has to offer? Life is short and a slavish pursuit of value can turn a pleasant walk down Easy Street into a bleak stop at the dollar store.
Alas, I’m seeing some of these same tendencies with my kids. I once witnessed another of my sons calculate the per-square-inch cost of various pizza options on the menu to figure out which offered the best value for money spent. I remember thinking at the time, “At what point does seeking value move from common sense to madness?”
Like Scrooge after his nighttime visits by the ghosts, I’m determined to change my ways in whatever years I have left. I have a long “challenge list” filled with both fun experiences and educational activities, and I’ve committed to pulling out my wallet to make those things come true. In March, for instance, I’m splurging on a two-bedroom beachfront condo in St. Pete Beach for Rachael and the kids, even though March is spring break time in Florida and ghastly expensive.
I’m also determined to use whatever resources I have to make a difference in the world through volunteer activities and charitable giving. I’ve joined the local Rotary Club and have dedicated to giving author proceeds from my recently published book to charity.
Hopefully, all of this will set a different example for my children and maybe even break the familial chain of Kerr parsimoniousness. It seems a father’s work is never done—even after the kids have flown the nest.
James Kerr led global communications, public relations and social media for a number of Fortune 500 technology firms before leaving the corporate world to pursue his passion for writing and storytelling. His debut book, “The Long Walk Home: How I Lost My Job as a Corporate Remora Fish and Rediscovered My Life’s Purpose,” was published in 2022 by Blydyn Square Books. Jim blogs at PeaceableMan.com. Follow him on Twitter @JamesBKerr and check out his previous articles.
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>> I saw this with my father, who was forever bargaining with people while making purchases, as if all the world was an auction and he the sole bidder.
I was never a bargainer. But obviously many times it’s not the kill, but the thrill of the chase. It’s the same with people who race ahead in their cars but you still see them at the next stop sign.
I grew up poor and now have more than enough during retirement. I didn’t pinch pennies while working and raising 4 kids, but did make sure to save/invest. I don’t consider myself cheap, and do spend money if it is worth it. I did recently spend $5k (author mentioned his hesitancy for $5k vacation) on a family event around Christmas and we’ve provided 20% down payment for my kids’ homes. We’ve also gone on a family Caribbean cruise, and a trip to Salt Lake City one Christmas. To author, it is definitely worth it if you can afford it. But where my past comes in is with the little things. For example, I will not pay $5 for a quart of light cream for my coffee at the local supermarket when I can get it for $3.69 at Target. I still comparison shop online to buy what I want at the best price. I guess old habits are hard to break.
Leaning into retirement here, after a living the frugal life handed down to me from my coupon clipping, deal seeking, Depression baby parents.
What I’ve found strangely liberating is the fact that now that we’re no longer earning any income at all, it’s all spending all the time. So there’s no choice but to let the brakes off and spend.
We still like a good deal; but we won’t forgo paying full retail on things we have decided we want/need, even if they are expensive. I imagine my father (who had some Scottish blood in him) is rolling over in his grave.
Jim, I enjoyed this and you’re quite right. Sometimes it’s best not to worry about whether something is a “good deal” and just enjoy it.
That said, one aspect of the behavior you recognize in yourself and your sons, and which I confess I have plenty of (Scottish blood here as well) is the challenge of it. There can be genuine enjoyment and satisfaction in searching out and getting the best deals. As with anything, there’s a certain amount of skill involved, and getting better at it can be rewarding. It also is something of a mental exercise and we older folks are constantly told we need these to stay sharp.
And being a canny consumer is distinct from being a skinflint. We are generous with our kids and grandkids and enjoy supporting the charities we believe in. But in my mind, that’s not inconsistent with clipping a great grocery store coupon!
Early in my career, my boss at a tech startup gave me advice that the mid-50s is where most tech careers end and that one should simply live a lifestyle where all raises vanish into savings accounts that cannot be touched without severe penalties.
I took his advice to heart.
In my late-50s now, experiencing all the uncertainty around me with both ageism and offshoring of high-paying tech jobs to India, I cannot thank him enough.
Living a modest and peaceful life without worrying about bills is worth the three decades of penny-pinching. Now, I have to work up the courage to finally buy that BWM i4 electric car 🙂
Agree with all said except for BMW i4 – please don’t spend your hard-earned money on that. Stick with internal combustion vehicles whether BMW or KIA.
EV development and supporting infrastructure still has a very long way to go before it will be the practical option.
“Living a modest and peaceful life without worrying about bills is worth the three decades of penny-pinching” – agree completely, Mark!
Like your dad, I was guilty of using time to save a few dollars in gasoline expense. The supermarket where I often shop awarded discount points which reduced the cost per gallon on a single fill up and the points expired at the end of the following month.
Once a month I would find a time where the tanks on our two vehicles were near empty and I would cajole my wife into driving her van to the gas station so I could fill both vehicles up at the same time to save about $1 per gallon. I would take my cheapness further as I have four 5 gallon gas jugs that after topping off the vehicle tanks I would fill the jugs until I got to the 35 gallon maximum that was allowed. Later in the month I would have to pull the jugs from the shed to pour into the vehicles as needed.
After I retired our local gas consumption declined and I have ceased wasting my time for a nominal savings and have eliminated the fire hazard of having excess gas in the shed.
Enjoyed your article James.
I know a number of people who have done the same with those supermarket gas points. Glad you liked the article, William
“calculate the per-square-inch cost of various pizza options”
My hope is that this falls just short of madness because that’s all too relatable. My kids only eat cheese pizza. My wife and I like Supreme. Do we get two Medium pizzas? Of course not, we get one X-Large, half cheese and half supreme because it’s a better value.
Pi r-squared, surface area of a circle is a simple formula 😂
Where value ends, good pizza begins!
James, great relatable read. I’m in my mid 20s and would consider myself frugal and financially conservative. Your point on the expensive dinners and vacations rings true for me. My fiancée and I enjoy trying new restaurants and breweries. Although not expensive on the surface, it adds up quick. A strategy that helps us is the classic Warren Buffet line: “Don’t save what’s left after spending, spend what’s left after saving”
You’re right, Gavin – it does add up quickly. Love that Warren Buffett line – hadn’t heard that one before. 🙂
Take it from experience- make the changes before it’s too late. My wife and I have been fortunate to be able to travel and have fun since I retired even though I have been called cheap. That is winding down now.
One trick we use is isolating money for that kind of thing knowing that is all it will be used for. We have a travel/fun account which we add to each month.
The older we get the looser the purse strings become. We are in a rented house in Florida for a month as I write this. We have poured a lot of money into improvements at our vacation home over the last two years.
The only thing that keeps us from spending more is our (my) concern one of us may need LTC at some point and our desire to leave a legacy for our children.
Take a cruise, go have a $200 meal.
Great advice, Richard. Would love to hear more about your rented house in FL – that’s something Rachael and I are thinking about doing. Hope you have many more years of enjoying travel and experiences.
We have been using VRBO for five years. Some places have been better than others, but generally quite good experiences.
James, we may share an ancestor. I feel some of your parsimony flowing through my veins.
Got any Scottish in your blood?