I have a confession to make: Over the past year, I’ve been moving money out of U.S. Treasuries and into international stocks. For someone who’s long preferred safety over risk, this marks a major shift.
The catalyst, somewhat surprisingly, was a 2024 memo: Howard Marks’ “Sea Change.” Marks—a legend in the investment world—made the case that we’re living through only the third true inflection point in markets since the 1970s. He highlighted structural shifts: the end of a four-decade era of declining interest rates, rising inflation, and a reversal (or at least stalling) of globalization. The playbook investors used from 2009 to 2021 may no longer apply.
I once relied on Treasuries as my security blanket. More importantly, the relationships I once counted on—stocks and bonds moving oppositely, Treasuries as a “risk-off” haven—seem less reliable now. Instead of cushioning equity losses, bonds have occasionally fallen in tandem with stocks, particularly in inflationary shocks. That safety net? It’s not what it used to be.
So, why international stocks? For one, they’re cheaper. And now I’m seeing more evidence to support the shift. A recent Morningstar article breaks down research showing that valuation expansion—the increase in the price investors is willing to pay per dollar of earnings—has driven most of the U.S. market’s gains since 2008. Fundamentals took a backseat. From 2008 to the end of 2024, the CAPE ratio for U.S. equities more than doubled. In contrast, the MSCI EAFE index (which tracks developed markets outside the U.S. and Canada) saw its CAPE rise just 36%. Historically, when valuations double, markets often underperform in the following decade. It’s a sobering correlation.
Are you sticking with the old playbook? Or have you made similar moves? I’d love to hear how the HumbleDollar community sees the future of investing—especially when we tune out the political noise.
Haven’t Int’l stocks outperformed in several decades since 1970? So not sure this is something different.
Also, the 80’s and 90s were such that it’s not unreasonable to think the bull market of the 2020s could keep going at about 11% per annum for another 5 years.
This is the problem with a lot of the math predicting things, there’s usually other math that points in a different direction, that’s equally plausible.
I hold Int’l equities, I’ll continue owning them, just a lot less sure we know where this market is headed. There are a lot of undervalued S&P companies, I could see the rotation be US Value companies quite easily, especially since those CAPEs are driven by maybe 10-20 companies (on a market cap basis).
In Triumph of the Optimists, Dimson, Marsh, and Stanton looked at performance of U.S. and international equities over the century from 1900-2000, and continued to report on that through their annual Credit Suisse yearbooks, now published by UBS.
Yes, international stocks have outperformed U.S. stocks during a few periods over the last 125 years. Today’s market cap ratio for US:ex-US is ~60% to 40%, but there have been many periods since 1900 when the ratio was very different. The 2023 summary issue of the CS/UBS Yearbook updated that graphic.
For the most recent 20 years here were the returns:
Large Cap U.S. Equity 237.59%
Small Cap U.S. Equity 232.67%
Developed Ex-U.S. Equity 171.35%
For the most recent 10 years here were the returns:
Large Cap U.S. Equity 142.68%
Small Cap U.S. Equity 135.21%
Developed Ex-U.S. Equity 74.12%
The above per Callan. As can be seen U.S.Small caps did better than Developed Ex-US Equity. Interesting to me was the fact that many experts gave small caps a pass when discussing. My small- mid-caps allocation is 38.56%. In my personal experience I did well with foreign stocks only because I was very selective. For example, one has gained 514% even after the recent tariff jitters.
As usual, no one knows what the future will bring.
Being blessed with two S.S. accounts and two pensions I’ve never considered bonds. Now that I am recently retired, I still don’t.
But this year after retiring I have gotten less aggressive. I’ve rebalanced our portfolio into 50% VT (Vanguard World Index) , 40% VTI (Vanguard U.S. Index) , and 10% VUG (Vanguard Growth Index). Until the rebalancing funds I was 50% VTI and 50% VUG.
I consider our Social Security accounts and our pensions to be our “bond” type of income.