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I will still take the dividends

An e-mail I received from Retirement Researchers by Wade Pfau contains this:

“If a retiree owns 1,000 shares before receiving a dividend and still owns 1,000 shares afterward, it can seem as though nothing has been spent. Selling 20 shares feels different because the account now holds fewer shares. That visual difference can reinforce the idea that dividends allow you to spend income while preserving principal.

For example, suppose a company is trading at $100 per share, and an investor owns 100 shares worth $10,000. If the company pays a $4 dividend, the investor receives $400 in cash. Ignoring normal market movements, the stock’s value adjusts downward to reflect the cash that left the company, leaving the investor with about $9,600 in stock and $400 in cash. The investor has not gained an additional $400 of wealth. Some of the value that had been held inside the company has simply been distributed in cash.”

I see it differently (are you surprised?) 

The “ignoring normal market movements” make no sense to me. Market movements could cause the stock to rise immediately after a dividend. If I still hold the same number of shares, I benefit more than if I sold shares equivalent to the dividend income. The combined dollar value of the stock and dividend may be equal, but selling shares lowers potential future growth to my way of think. 

Wade goes on to say, “The same basic economics apply if the company does not pay a dividend. If the investment is still worth $10,000, the investor could sell $400 of it to raise the same amount of cash. One approach leaves the investor with the same number of shares at a lower value. The other leaves the investor with fewer shares at the same price. In both cases, a portion of the investment has been converted into spendable cash.”

“The same number of shares” is the key in my book. Why would I want fewer shares? In retirement I want to generate income and preserve capital (shares in this case) as much as possible to aid in future income generation. 

Wade also makes the point it is not a good idea to only rely on dividend income in retirement. That makes sense, but dividends can be a way to deal with inflation as well if they are in addition to basic income. For decades I reinvested dividends in two companies. In recent years I changed that to cash payments placed in a money market account. My number of shares stopped growing, but now I have a larger cash reserve that also grows with interest, but without decline risk. 

In the last year the price of those two stocks have seen an all time high and now dropped $16 a share (market movements) but I still have all the shares generating dividends with the possibility of regaining the $16 and more – if you can believe analyst’s price targets. It is what it is and is what it isn’t. 

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Rob Thompson
18 days ago

In 2013(?) when our airline chose to follow the herd (meaning declare bankruptcy to shed itself of pension obligations), I was in a panic (airline pilots can’t just throw out a resume and rejoin a corporate ladder equal to where they happened to be at their last gig. They start from the bottom all over again…but I digress). In my panic, I discovered the DGI (Dividend Growth Investing) crowd over at Seeking Alpha and haven’t looked back.

Yes, in a booming market you would be very successful in the S&P 500, more so than with a Blue Chip dividend portfolio. But we sleep very well with our dividends (now DHI, Dividend “Harvesting” Investments). Everything, including our 20-year Treasury ladder (roughly 40%), yields 3.84%, has an annual dividend growth of 4.2% over the last 5 years (beating inflation if I am not mistaken), and a portfolio Beta of just 0.63. We never have to sell a share to pay a bill. And the one time I took a profit (LLY), I regretted doing so. The “dividend machine” (#shares) was smaller, and LLY recovered, so we didn’t participate as much in their latest rally.

This isn’t for everyone, but you certainly can come close (not chasing yield!!) with ETFs like SCHD, VYM, and FDVV.

The best approach IMHO is a “both and”. Focus on dividend growers, but don’t chase yield. And have some growth-oriented stocks to fortify your portfolio (think VUG). Still diversify across the board (think VYMI or VIGI).

The news says, “The market was down 300 points today!” I say, “Oh look! Another dividend!”

Chris&Steve Hensley
18 days ago

All good comments below but, like Dick, I like a good size segment of my portfolio to throw off reliable income to augment our lifestyle spending. I’ve tracked my dividend stream for decades and it has a pretty reliable “COLA” going up a little over 6% per year….plus only a 15% tax. I just like the feel of regular, reliable income without selling something and trying to figure out what to sell.