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Die With Zero? Hell No

Bill Perkins offers a radical goal: use your money to create the richest life possible, and aim to die with zero dollars left unspent. I’m told it doesn’t literally mean hit zero, just maximize experiences. I hope the book’s readers don’t take the title as a goal.

“Die with Zero” also advocates for intentional gifting to children or charities while you are alive. I agree, but for those trying to cover life’s what ifs during retirement (like the risk of LTC or survivor income) with their life savings that also presents a risk. 

We gift to our family and charities, but not by spending assets except via a portion of RMDs. They will receive the bulk as a legacy. 

Experiences over things for  sure, but not by betting on the timing of your ultimate departure. The experiences Connie and I have had since retiring have been wonderful. I would like to do it again and to keep going.

Perkins is a poker player, and former derivatives trader. In short, he is a risk taker and has plenty of money to put at risk. I suspect that is not the case for most – nearly all –  retirees. 

The goal should be enjoyable and fulfilling experiences with sustained confidence in lifelong financial security. You can do both, we have done both. We set aside money just for the purpose of experiences. At the same time meaningful experiences don’t always require spending money as some in the HD community have expressed. 

Our experiences range from cruising on the Queen Mary II to walking among penguins on the Falklands, touring the Holy Land, kissing the Blarney Stone, walking across the Little Big Horn, standing in a gas chamber at Auschwitz, walking on Hadrian’s wall, and on Omaha beach, visiting every capital in Europe, and many more plus visiting every state in the Union. 

But we never considered doing any of that by using up our assets. Yes, our pension and SS income allows us more flexibility, but nevertheless, I would never seek to spend down our assets to zero or even close. That seems even a harder choice for those relying on accumulated assets for all their income. In fact, it’s a considerable risk in my opinion. 

Seek those experiences, but don’t play an all-in-bluff on yourself. 

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Marley94
1 year ago

I think the author misses the major points of the book and seems to only focus on the books title. 1. The point of life isn’t to endlessly accumulate financial assets but instead to use them while you are alive the ways that brings you the most joy and makes the greatest impact. 2. Different stages of life have different levels of wealth demand – time, health and financial health. Recognize the limits of each stage and take the most advantage of them. 3. Take big risks earlier in life. Gives you more time to recover if things go bad. 4. Delaying joy becomes costlier as you get older. 5. Give while living. You can make a larger impact now than waiting for the future… etc. For me, this book has changed my entire financial perspective. I was on my way to endlessly accumulate wealth and assets, like many who read HumbleDollar and this book opened my eyes to the limits of time and health.

mytimetotravel
1 year ago

I don’t know how long I will live, but two grandparents lasted well into their 90s. My pension has no COLA and has been shrinking for 25 years. I have no biological children. If my nieces and nephews don’t inherit until they are nearing retirement age I’m fine with that. Equally, I am sure the charities named in my will will still be happy to receive the money. Aiming to die with zero sounds stupidly reckless, although I am not averse to enjoying myself while I still can.

Kevin Bradford
1 year ago

I have a keen interest in FI, but not necessarily retiring early. As long as I enjoy the work, continuing to be part of the workforce, either as an employee, independent contractor or entrepreneur, is part of my life ambition.

Leaving a family legacy is part of the game plan, but honestly setting the stage for my son early on felt like a smarter play. This included regular investing very early in his life via an UTMA brokerage account at Vanguard that was used not only to jumpstart his financial path but also allowed for age-appropriate, teachable moments. Then when he was old enough to start working part-time, summer jobs, I matched 100% of his earnings into a custodial Roth IRA. Our deal is so long as he saves, 25% of what he makes, I will continue to match his earnings for Roth contributions; this will, in theory allow him to take advantage of the time aspect of his youth. I think that these early dollars will have greater impact and hopefully deliver amazing results for him over the longer term. It is my further intention that doing all of this early, with his direct involvement, will position him to have the skillsets to utilize any remaining legacy inheritance, which, if all goes well will also be substantial, in an educated and mindful manner.

At least that is the intent! 🙃