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I noticed that in the post by Dick Quinn – beyond-fees-is-using-a-financial-advisor-advisable , couple of folks had mentioned having flat-fee advisors. I see that it is lot easier to find advisors that charge a % of the assets under management but one that I am not fond of.
Have read mixed reviews about FACET, have found two sites that have flat-fee FAs
Are there other resources that one can look up?
Part of the “holistic” approach, here are the topics that I thought I would get the FA to take a look at (in no particular order):
Thanks!
For many years a portion of our portfolio has been managed by a financial advisor whose fee was based on a percent of assets under management (AUM). He taught me a lot about investing, to understand what’s a signal and what’s noise, introduced me to investment ideas and asset allocation, tax loss harvesting, Roth conversions, etc. As I gained knowledge, experience and confidence, I built up to managing over 50% of our portfolio. We think a lot alike, both leaning toward value investing and are firm believers in diversification. My advisor was always available to discuss questions and provide advice if asked even on the portion of funds I oversaw. When he did end-of-year reviews he would include my portion for an overall analysis and assessment. I read extensively about investing and behavioral finance, leaning toward a Bogle Head type investor. A few years ago, after reading Charlie Ellis’ book “Figuring it Out”, I thought about the fee structure based on a percent of AUM. As Ellis mentions, if a portfolio returns 7% for the year and the advisor’s fee is 1% of AUM, that’s 15% of your profit going to the advisor. This fee structure was unrelated to the level of interaction. There was redundancy between what I and my advisor did. I had complete oversite of our portfolio using Quicken and our online brokerage accounts. I used TurboTax to file our taxes. I tracked our portfolio performance, asset allocation and reviewed our realized and unrealized capital gains for opportunities for tax loss harvesting. My advisor enlightened me about Roth conversions where we would coordinate and each handled the respective funds we managed. I decided I could handle all the transactions. I am a fairly disciplined investor and don’t need hand-holding during market turbulence.
What I needed at this point was for my advisor to act as a consultant and provide a second opinion in evaluating our asset allocation and portfolio risk and in making informed financial decisions. This included periodic review of our total investment portfolio using financial tools he has access to such as Blackrock Portfolio Summary and Scenario Tester. He and his team would then offer suggestions and recommendations within our risk tolerance profile and future goals. I’d get the benefit of some really smart financial professionals within his firm providing guidance. In addition, I want him to perform future value analysis to support various financial decisions such as when to take social security, and offer candid feedback even if it challenges my current strategy.
I drafted an agreement of roles and responsibilities and we negotiated a yearly fixed rate. His firm doesn’t provide fee-for-service. Another benefit from this arrangement is I get the reduced fee structures (institutional rate) for various investments his firm has negotiated.
I actually hired a fee only financial advisor who frequently posts to this blog, and have been very pleased.
Fee only (based on AUM) or Flat fee model?
Flat fee.
https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440158
There’s some info here
That’s a great link, thanks for posting. Count on Mike Piper…
Scott, thank you, yes I participate in BH forums and have this seen this post from Mike.
The outfits I am aware of are flatfeeadvisors.org (which you mentioned), Advice-Only Network | Find Financial Advisors Who Don’t Sell Products, and Flat-Fee Hourly Fiduciary Financial Advisors – Nectarine. This question comes up frequently in the retirement FB I contribute to (1) Retirement Planning Education (formerly Taxes in Retirement) | Facebook which could be referenced for additional information and also learning about screening questions etc.. Its not a requirement but I frequently recommend looking for a retirement credential like RICP or RMA (which our guy is). Of course CFP is frequently recommended also. What you have listed there should be accommodated. It costs little but time to do screening and finding the right fit so having a think about what you really want in terms of life and lifestyle goals and having a starting list of questions can be helpful. My wife and I kissed a few frogs before we found our prince but learnt a lot in the process and this was way before there was a useful FB group that has mostly DIYers, some clients of advisors and a few advisors which are not allowed to solicit. Good luck in your search.
Rpb – thank you – we already have an “advice” only planner and are quite happy with this company. Now looking for someone to, not only plan but also execute on the agreed plan taking a holistic approach.
Do you also have any views on having the planner in the same town for a face to face meeting vs. having video calls?
Are you able to share the name of the FB group for DIYers?
Thanks again
Sure. Our advisor is another state and it works fine. This is quite common these days I believe. We did meet our advisor F2F at the start to just understand his process and basically do a sanity check to see if we could trust him. He have met with once since when we visited his area. He has a share file and we communicated mostly by email and very occasionally by text. I did mention the name of a FB group with the link in my comment above-it has a mix of DIYers (most of the folks) and some folks use advisors-across the full range-AUM, advice only, holistic flat fee only, unique and hourly. And a few advisors from these models. It is a great group because it is very well moderated and people want to help those asking questions. If you want there and joined and searched on the historical posts Im pretty sure you would learn something. The interest thing also is the founder of the group has some great videos interviewing other like minded flat fee advisors as well as “real people” and also does lots of financial planning educational stuff. I totally understand where you want to go with the advisor.